Nar the gr7 is the best the new tornado is great to iccbm pantsirs tho with the pgms.its kinda sad that they have messed up the chally so bad its main objective is to get you in a jet
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Best ‘high’ BR for UK at the moment seems to be CR1 (10.7ish). The Challenger 1s actually have some armour relative to their tier, plus you get the Lynx Hellfire-Spitter-5000 and a few winged toys.
Playing with the Challenger 2s (any of them) is just an exercise in frustration. I can only assume a dev had a distant relative who got plinked by one at some point…
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Been playing the black night and actually had some decentish games. If it got a bigger ready rack and a reload for the APS I think it would be pretty fun.
The mantle/gun/breach being too high and forward is massively annoying, if they aren’t going to make it effective they could at least model it correct visually.
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mate ive had a 2s38 go through the turret cheeks, the armour layout is completely broken, the rounds useless , the mobility is useless the 2E is fast sure but its still extremely sluggish compared to the competition.
the breach now is bigger than ever.
Right now even what we were promised in spring hasnt even been touched on. we were promised it be made comparable to the competition and be competitive, right now as it stands 10.3 MBTs can go toe to toe with the CR2s and win, without much of an issue either.
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i mean mate you cant even go hull down cause your breach literally crests the hill before the gun does xD somehow
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CR1 Mk3, vickers mk7 CR1 DS if u can, i personally use the VFM but the Rooikat is better, and you get the jaguar GR1A which has good guided bombs.
thats a bold statement brother. funny but xD
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GR.7 is great but so slow and handles like crap Pantsir eat them. AGM 65 are nice though.
The gun positioning is definitely one infuriating aspect of the tank. Relative to the top of the turret it’s the lowest mounted gun of all the top tier MBTs so you have to expose the massive fivehead way before you can get muzzle clearance.
By which time anybody who has half a brain will have shot through your paper mantlet/roof and taken out your breech at the very least.
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pantsir dont man I still use it, its pretty decent for cas tbh, and it handles better than a tornado especially with the thrust vector
its literally how I got my first nuke btw, I used the 2a4, 2k, 2av and 2a4 prem and just shot breaches out before taking them out completely.
its shambolic tbh, i mean if it was such a glaring weakpoint that literally ww2 tanks could shoot through it then it would never have lasted in any combat situations
I’m not even interested in the realism argument. From a gameplay perspective it’s just shoddy. The challenger 2s have no redeeming qualities because it excels in absolutely nothing compared to other tanks at their BR.
The only niche it used to have was a faster than average reload, and now it’s worse at that than most tanks whilst still having the mountain of drawbacks that come with being a challenger 2.
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funnily enough, that “faster than average reload” was such a shaft due to it making the past ready rack reload over 8 seconds for an unupgraded crew.
expert for me isnt even faster than the soviet autoloaders.
People still remember, and even discuss Challengers in War Thunder!?
Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I have already settled that I will die without seeing actual Challenger fixes and you should do the same.
It’s not that Gaijin doesn’t care enough to do it- it’s worse… they actively, directly, intentionally straight out refuse to do so.
Specially since the half-assed rework they did on the X-Ray view modules. Ever since, whenever you dare bring up any issue, they always reply: “we already did a rework, new don’t have to do anything else”. Dozens of bug reports “accepted” and “acknowledged” to no avail.
You will be better off forgetting about this sad thing’s existence and giving up about this. It’s only a bottomless pit for any rational person’s sanity and a waste of time to try to have these issues fixed.
We are already entering 2025 and nothing, NOTHING, NOTHING!!! Was fixed. Oh, but don’t worry- not just Challengers, but Leclercs, Merkavas, Abrams, and a long etc. Not a single relevant bug fix in over a year.
Wait till the “but we fixed tons of MBT fixes, like the wrong naming of Leclerc’s coaxial machine gun, its ammo count, and the smoke grenades’ caliber!” replies now. Meanwhile, Type 10 can’t even turn without coming to full stop since it came to the game.
Also sorry for the rage. But as someone who has done and tried her best to have MBT fixes for years, to see all of this time and resources being wasted to no avail is most frustrating.
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The bare minimum of having the LFP spall liner has somehow been ignored for approaching a year, its almost impressive
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Whole heartedly understand the frustration, but i refuse.to give up on not just the CR2s but all minor nation mbts which are all ridiculously under powered compared to the big 3.
Yet here we are seeing countless buffs to abrams.
New and quite frankly amazing leopard 2a7s
T90Ms which arent the best but are still beyond sturdy!
While the leclerc isnt even getting its real ammunition
Merkavas are paper mache
Ariete well we all know tbe meme now.
And CR2 literally now the worst of the lot. Somehow the “rework” was literally mostly a historical changes to the tank!
Shambolic at best.
I seriously hope a game.comes around that is serious competition for gaijin just so they actually listen to all tbeir players again.
Not the US. Russian and German mains who just cry they camt hold W and win
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Despite how badly gaijin has modelled the Challenger 2’s, I think the Challenger 2E is still a very capable tank in WT.
It’s removes the main weakness of the Chally 2, being its slow speed. There are two “variants” of the 2E, with us having the later one ingame. However, there is not much difference between them, with the presence/absence of TOGS being the main change (early variant retains it).
The “Early” Challenger 2E is the one which underwent trials with the Greek army. Both have the same 1500hp MTU engine.
It would be good to see the “Early” Challenger 2E ingame to support Brit top tier, giving us another fast Challenger 2 to spawn, instead of having to go from the 2E into one of the slow Challengers.
It would be a stop-gap solution, but it would greatly increase the mobility of Brit top tier
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ehh multiple problems , still waiting on the promised DM rework and sweden still being the better tree with 3 armored leopards
it has its real ammunition ofl f2 /f3 wouldnt make difference in the formular
and the shard is export only and not used by france
the 2A7 compared to the rest of the roster is the 2nd best tank in game, the 2a7H (is it) and strv122s are better.
I would like to see these tanks as i said in a different thread, modelled correctly and realistically.
at least germany got some love recently man, (im grinding out the PSO now )
Wouldnt it? ive seen so many folks saying so many different things.
if its no different then can at least add it
arguably 2a7v is better then 2a7hu. many people complain about HU RCWS being a HE shot trap.
And that is realy mainly the complained of german main that sweden still is the better german ground tree overall. that being said germany has a better grp then many other nations i dont deny that
many nations in game dont have their DU rounds because the formular used would just simply dont make much difference in penetration america, think russia are all the same in that
right now france do have their historical rounds and them beggin for shard is just a way to increase stuff when they dont even use it
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Yeah, according to the Lanz-Odermatt formula, there is no difference in penetration at all between F1 and F2.
I don’t think Leclerc’s shell is an issue though- besides, F1 is the historical shell anyway. F2 had a limited production run and wasn’t commissioned.
Leclerc’s biggest issues are the virtually missing UFP armor, underperforming acceleration, and missing floor fuel tank bulkheads that would protect the crew and make that tank functionally external. Then there’s S.XXI missing its new armor composition and stuff like that.
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