pantsir dont man I still use it, its pretty decent for cas tbh, and it handles better than a tornado especially with the thrust vector
its literally how I got my first nuke btw, I used the 2a4, 2k, 2av and 2a4 prem and just shot breaches out before taking them out completely.
its shambolic tbh, i mean if it was such a glaring weakpoint that literally ww2 tanks could shoot through it then it would never have lasted in any combat situations
I’m not even interested in the realism argument. From a gameplay perspective it’s just shoddy. The challenger 2s have no redeeming qualities because it excels in absolutely nothing compared to other tanks at their BR.
The only niche it used to have was a faster than average reload, and now it’s worse at that than most tanks whilst still having the mountain of drawbacks that come with being a challenger 2.
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funnily enough, that “faster than average reload” was such a shaft due to it making the past ready rack reload over 8 seconds for an unupgraded crew.
expert for me isnt even faster than the soviet autoloaders.
People still remember, and even discuss Challengers in War Thunder!?
Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I have already settled that I will die without seeing actual Challenger fixes and you should do the same.
It’s not that Gaijin doesn’t care enough to do it- it’s worse… they actively, directly, intentionally straight out refuse to do so.
Specially since the half-assed rework they did on the X-Ray view modules. Ever since, whenever you dare bring up any issue, they always reply: “we already did a rework, new don’t have to do anything else”. Dozens of bug reports “accepted” and “acknowledged” to no avail.
You will be better off forgetting about this sad thing’s existence and giving up about this. It’s only a bottomless pit for any rational person’s sanity and a waste of time to try to have these issues fixed.
We are already entering 2025 and nothing, NOTHING, NOTHING!!! Was fixed. Oh, but don’t worry- not just Challengers, but Leclercs, Merkavas, Abrams, and a long etc. Not a single relevant bug fix in over a year.
Wait till the “but we fixed tons of MBT fixes, like the wrong naming of Leclerc’s coaxial machine gun, its ammo count, and the smoke grenades’ caliber!” replies now. Meanwhile, Type 10 can’t even turn without coming to full stop since it came to the game.
Also sorry for the rage. But as someone who has done and tried her best to have MBT fixes for years, to see all of this time and resources being wasted to no avail is most frustrating.
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The bare minimum of having the LFP spall liner has somehow been ignored for approaching a year, its almost impressive
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Whole heartedly understand the frustration, but i refuse.to give up on not just the CR2s but all minor nation mbts which are all ridiculously under powered compared to the big 3.
Yet here we are seeing countless buffs to abrams.
New and quite frankly amazing leopard 2a7s
T90Ms which arent the best but are still beyond sturdy!
While the leclerc isnt even getting its real ammunition
Merkavas are paper mache
Ariete well we all know tbe meme now.
And CR2 literally now the worst of the lot. Somehow the “rework” was literally mostly a historical changes to the tank!
Shambolic at best.
I seriously hope a game.comes around that is serious competition for gaijin just so they actually listen to all tbeir players again.
Not the US. Russian and German mains who just cry they camt hold W and win
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Despite how badly gaijin has modelled the Challenger 2’s, I think the Challenger 2E is still a very capable tank in WT.
It’s removes the main weakness of the Chally 2, being its slow speed. There are two “variants” of the 2E, with us having the later one ingame. However, there is not much difference between them, with the presence/absence of TOGS being the main change (early variant retains it).
The “Early” Challenger 2E is the one which underwent trials with the Greek army. Both have the same 1500hp MTU engine.
It would be good to see the “Early” Challenger 2E ingame to support Brit top tier, giving us another fast Challenger 2 to spawn, instead of having to go from the 2E into one of the slow Challengers.
It would be a stop-gap solution, but it would greatly increase the mobility of Brit top tier
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ehh multiple problems , still waiting on the promised DM rework and sweden still being the better tree with 3 armored leopards
it has its real ammunition ofl f2 /f3 wouldnt make difference in the formular
and the shard is export only and not used by france
the 2A7 compared to the rest of the roster is the 2nd best tank in game, the 2a7H (is it) and strv122s are better.
I would like to see these tanks as i said in a different thread, modelled correctly and realistically.
at least germany got some love recently man, (im grinding out the PSO now )
Wouldnt it? ive seen so many folks saying so many different things.
if its no different then can at least add it
arguably 2a7v is better then 2a7hu. many people complain about HU RCWS being a HE shot trap.
And that is realy mainly the complained of german main that sweden still is the better german ground tree overall. that being said germany has a better grp then many other nations i dont deny that
many nations in game dont have their DU rounds because the formular used would just simply dont make much difference in penetration america, think russia are all the same in that
right now france do have their historical rounds and them beggin for shard is just a way to increase stuff when they dont even use it
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Yeah, according to the Lanz-Odermatt formula, there is no difference in penetration at all between F1 and F2.
I don’t think Leclerc’s shell is an issue though- besides, F1 is the historical shell anyway. F2 had a limited production run and wasn’t commissioned.
Leclerc’s biggest issues are the virtually missing UFP armor, underperforming acceleration, and missing floor fuel tank bulkheads that would protect the crew and make that tank functionally external. Then there’s S.XXI missing its new armor composition and stuff like that.
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reasonable thing is france getting the XLR realy, nothing much besides that, the add ons can only do so much either eay
the hull of leclers are inherintly flawed
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I agree with your sentiment! But trust me, there aren’t being countless buffs to the Abrams, besides the increased reload that everyone else also got.
The late Abrams series tanks are filled with just about as many issues as the Challengers, it’s just not so noticeable since they are still slightly more meta- but believe me, they aren’t getting any better treatment than the Challengers.
Here are two lists at first glance:
Continuing the discussion from Another year without MBT fixes…?:
Regarding the Challenger MBTs:
1- Still missing lower front plate spall liners.
2- Still too small first-order ammo rack (back bin should be included).
3- Still too slow first-order ammo rack replenishment speed (twice as long as any other MBT).
4- Mantlet’s trunnion is still hollow (just because the shield has cavities it doesn’t mean it ought to be hollow; those cavities aren’t there to be left empty…)
5- Challenger 3 (TD)'s turret damage model is still a non-matching copy-paste of the pre-rework Challenger 2 turret even though a more appropiate model had already been ingame before being reverted the following update after having been corrected.
6- Challenger 3 (TD) is still missing 17 HP because the developers did not convert BHP to HP even though the engine power is correct on all other Challengers which have the same engine.
7- Challenger 3 (TD) is still the only Challenger family member to have a 6 second reload for no real reason at all, making it, all in all, barely a sidegrade if not a downgrade compared to other family members, even though it was suppossed to be the pinnacle of the British Ground tree.
8- The LFP add-on armor on TES and 2F still has different thicknesses and protection values across both tanks despite supposedly being the same armor; in both cases, WAY too low.
Regarding the Abrams MBTs:
1- Still missing a properly modelled volumetric turret ring.
2- Still missing proper fuel tank bulkhead plates’ thicknesses.
3- Still missing proper fuel tank bulkhead armor geometries/plates.
4- SEP and SEPv2 still missing the improved turret armor.
5- SEPv2 still unable to take off the dead weight called TUSK II.
6- M1A1 AIM still missing its historical KEW-A2 even though other Abrams tanks at the exact same BR use M829A2, which is even better.
7- M1A2 SEPv2 still missing its historical M829A3 shell for no particular reason even though Gaijin officially stated that it would still be balanced (at least that new shell would make it feel like an actual upgrade in ONE aspect…)
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honestly neither do the leopards if anything its only the russian ones which skewed volumetrics that make them stronger then they are supposed to
leopards just are the best western export and as aresult have a lot of sources that make them easier to implement but you see on the 2a7v how gajin is completly ******** it over and using that stupid 30years ols armor test
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yeah that isnt even a question anymore is it, they literally are top dog for ground vehicles.
ive seen that brought up as well, but most folks ive seen argue its better overall, I wont know, im at 8.0 for italy and 12.0 for germany so ill be getting the standard 2a7 first.
yeah seen that for the m829a3 was it? so they all sort of fall into that catogory then, nice to know about the leclerc ammo then at least someones giving a consistent clear answer.
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hmm yeah I stopped the grind for em due to the plethora of issues, which i chose to get the CR2s first, what a mistake it was.
While I know the abrams arent exactly accurate (as i said in another response I want all the vehicles to be as accurate as possible , as it should be) the abrams right now in game is a very solid tank, compared to the CR2s, merkavas, arietes and somewhat the leclercs.
Morvran has a very good list of stuff thats been done against the CR2 and CR3, its seriously brutal how they are right now.
yeah that is total nonsense for every nation to be quite frank isnt it.
BTW my remark about the abrams wasnt to say the abrams is fixed and needs no work done to it yet, but in comparisson to the CR2, 3TD etc it is miles better and isnt in as much need of attention as said MBTs until were all at a more equal position with them.
Im tired of seeing the mantra of my nation is bad, no mines is worse, or this one is best its my turn to be best etc etc
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unfortunately that ones never getting fixed thanks to the leak. mention the word Trunnion and Gaijin would probably hit the roof
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pff that dude was genuinely thicker than mud man, how stupid can you be to share classified military documents online xd
its not the only instance unfortunately
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