nevermind last sentence, it promised the DM rework
Yes… except it didnt fix anything, only nerfed the CR2 with fake ahistorical changes
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leopards have armor holes in the turret which mg fire can go trough thats the main issue
2.3 tanks can kill a challanger 2 frontally… one of the most well armoured MBTs of both its time, and still modern day.
The leopard 2s while should get there upgrades as morvran said, there should be a priority.
And yes but what im saying is it was grouped in with the spring roadmap as both were released roughly around the same time. hence why as i said I got mixed up. Its not a big deal.
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The front plate is truly tragic any tank at that br can one shot you and not even relying on the lower plate
Just did a test and yes a Panzer IV can one shot the CR2…by shooting lower front plate or the driver port weakness.
It cant do that to Leopard 2A7, T-90M or T-80BVM and has a low chance of going through the turret ring of the M1…
This game man
it’s almost like the theatre entry standard is called standard for a reason.
The issue is that 80% of the front of challenger 2 in the game is weak spots. upper front, lower front, roof and breach. meanwhile you face things with much smaller weak spots, meaning you actually have to aim for specific locations like driver viewports or tiny lower front plate shots while they can just snapshot you and get a kill. Compare Challenger 2 and its 80% frontal weak spot to the T-80 and its 30% frontal weak spot, and the difference is staggering. then just to top it off, while you have to actually aim, you also have the worst round in the game for pen and arguably post pen too, making the experience even worse.
Most everything in the game has an incredibly strong turret, meaning that because of the weak round, you cant really pen their turrets, but that’s the first thing you will see as a vehicle crests a hill, meaning majority of the time you cant even do anything to the people who you have to engage, apart from maybe get a lucky breach shot and hope that the round does enough to break it, though it usually doesn’t. if a hulled down leopard 2 or t-80 exposes its turret to shoot you, there ain’t much you can do against it, bar break its breach if you fire first. meanwhile, he can just shoot you anywhere bar turret cheeks and get an easy kill. its sad.
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Its always been bad but now its awful, your armour does nothing you gun has so little punch. Leopard 2 and T-80/90 breaches will eat your rounds and you have 4 shots at a decent reload then its 6-7 seconds per shot.
Gaijin couldn’t have made the tank worse if they were actively trying…Which at this point it feels personal
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the rule with challenger 2 right now is to just not get shot. if you do, 90% chance you will be mobility killed and then finished off, or you will out right get taken out, without any real opportunity to defend yourself. plus again, having a bad round also doesn’t help. you have to play the chally 2’s in a way that you would play light tanks in some cases. low pen, no armour. it just doesn’t have the speed to even back up that playstyle either; so the rule is easier said than done.
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You are too slow to not get shot though, I wouldn’t mind if you had a 140mm rail gun but you don’t you have the worst performing gun at top tier.
map design kills that though bud, there are no hills or terrain it’s tiny maps and suffering
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L27A1 and all Chobham armours are gimped on purpose. It’s opposite day everyday in war thunder as T80s and ZTZs boast superior explosive lego brick armour. Dumbass western design, too heavy and big da, stuck in mud, regenerative steering? Never heard of it comrade xaxaxaxaxa.
its actually with a stock crew about 8.2 seconds if my numbers were right, on my expert crews past the ready rack leaves you with 7.4 seconds i think it was and on a fully leveled but not expert its 7.6 or 7.8
thats why american air and swedish ground dominate the game xD
I havent timed it but feels very slow!
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coming from the CR2s gridning out the 3 TD just last month, to grinding the M1A2 and the Leo2a5 and 6 in the same time it took me to get the 3TD yeh it is impossible and the abrams and leo far out do the challangers completely.
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it is the slowest reload without ace crew at top tier past the ready rack.
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I actually think i would rather have a Leo 2A4 than the top tier CR2.
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the first nuke i got was with the 2a4 prem 2AV and 2K vs 11.3 cr2s and what not.
the 2a4 genuinely out performs it in most regards bar the round