130mm from rheinmetall is at roughly 20MJ with a muzzle velocity of 1,700-1.900m/S
the 140mm ruag has a muzzle velocity of 1,800m/s
Cause of of how new the 130mm is we of course dont have exact numbers.
But i mean the whole generation around it, the autoloader is way better and fast of the 130mm.
The round is more developed, the sights/thermals of the 130mm tanks is way more modern and 3rd generation. It is a 2003 tank vs 2021 system at the very least
italy would not get any upscaled tanks then. I am fully aware they are different tanks.
XM291 is already waiting in the wings if the Americans wanna play that card but it looks like they wanna do induction or laser ETC so I think 140 might win
gaijin can just give em both
no I mean we quite literally own the 130mm tank, that is our tank. we don’t own the gun on it etc and sure it’s leased, but it doesn’t belong to Rhinemetal
The 140 isn’t new, there’s a lotta research into it already, and IIRC the XM291 research got given to the ascalon, so it’s not like it’s an immature technology
no because Germany has two options, not this or nothing, which the Italians get, and so do the British. like what the fuck do we get if you’re worried about the KF-51 going to Italy, you get Chally 130, and we get nothing?? All our high-caliber MBT projects failed. It makes reasonable sense to me that Germany gets the German 130mm tank, and the Italians can get it too, since export, in the same way they get 2A7HU, which leaves the UK with 130mm
This is true, but I think it’s a moot point on whether it goes to Germany or the uk
I’m saying that doesn’t mean the 140 isn’t out of the fight yet
japan is the only one there that doesn’t have any high caliber opportunity. Italy has KF-51, the Israelis have almost certainly made a 140, and a cursory search gives this and IIRC the Swedish did actually make a 140 for their mbt 2k or something
I don’t think you get the emotional weight I’m placing on German I mean no possible question of Germany’s involvement or placement of where it should go
fair enough, but I think it’s still possible to retain national identity better than just giving everyone everything
again, strictly speaken they dont at all.
The KF51 130mm was made before italy and hungary ordered theirs and they only ordered 120mms
please provide a source for a vehicle if not british gets the centurion 140mm
A cannon alone doesnt mean anything
In your own words, britian gets this and its ok.
its national identity is german.
It is built, developed, tested , advertised to germany. the 130mm configuration was never in britian.
national identity is not an argument when every country has leoaprds or some kind of F-X variant.
National identity died a long time ago in war thunder
janes is not an accepted source either way, the mention of it is not enough. they cant model a text mention
its long gone, i find it more insulting at this point that stuff like vt 4, the indian planes etc are hold back and not implemented in UK/japan yet
Which they should get at one point.
UK should not be exempt from that rule, only cause no noteworthy country uses any of their standalone exports
yeah I know, but I’m sure there’s something more substantial on the way in the coming decade. Perhaps this means 140 for SA (as in they were contracted by SA and IMI developed it using a Merkava) and subsequently the UK, and we wouldn’t need this discussion anymore.
also I say the UK keeps the Challenger and Germany/Italy gets KF-51, as we’ve always kept to our domestic designs, where Italy is planning to get something based on KF-51, and Hungary wants the KF-51 ev,o which are export designs. Yet we’ve never had an export design
No. I made that post to look for more info. Israel did make a 140mm shell, but there is nothing about a 140mm cannon. Those are just speculations, not facts.
A planned one. To this day, there is no Merkava 5 aside from gullible news sources believing in it.
Where did you get this from? This never happened. I have to this day not found a single image of the South African 140, let alone anything stating a collab between Israel with this. South Africa, to this day, still has no proof about a 140mm shell, let alone a 140mm cannon being built. The GT6 cannon could be replaced by a 140mm cannon, but there are no photos of a 140mm cannon.
Tbh I don’t really care about the 140mm Centurion as that was just a test vehicle for the 140mm, but the British ENT with its 140 could be added as the cannon, autoloader, shell (which many mix up with the Thumpers 140mm shell, which it is not) were made and there is some data of the shell. Additionally an engine was also chosen for it. The armor appears to have been tested too, but only shown on papers. It would qualify as a unfinished proto at bare minimum.
u had export designs, they just literaly failed, challenger 2e is a thing , the E stands for export if i remember right
I think you are confusing the terms imports and exports. in your case u might have wanted to say import designs. And the UK still did import stuff as well. Boxer being the quickest example.
Britian left the boxer development programm to then buy it either way,
generaly your answers just seem to be to keep the monopoly of challengers in the game
