Look at the video-description btw
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So the challenger hull is British, rbsl is the joint venture between rheinmetall and bae to develop and convert the 2 to the 3, so ultimately who is providing the chally hulls and turrets to rbsl who are then providing the hull and turret for the 130mm test bed. This is what defense contracts do and the uk and Germany have an incredibly strong relationship in this regard it belongs to both countries as a joint project with shared technology
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Rheinmetall loaned the tank from the UK MOD.
Loaning a vehicle does not mean they participated in its actual development. Its completly rheinmetall in all mentions.
Where is the vickers mk7 in the german tree? it uses a german hull as example.
I did a whole segment on your bad take specialy cause its such a weak pathetic argument
The hull being british, has no effect at all.
You only provided your own thoughts and no actual prove of your assumptions
Provide proof it was actual RBSL or cease spreading misinformation.
We dont even know if it had integrated FCS since it only fires straight. So there might not have been any need for cooperation in the first place
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The video itself shows “Rheinmetall Defence” at the end, the video-description links the legally responsible department, which is Rheinmetall AG.
And in addition the location is literally Rheinmetalls firing/testing range in Unterlüss, Germany.
Here’s an example for you (not hard to find on google maps, the satellite image is from 2026 but the old roads on the left are still visible)
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Yawn be sweaty if you want it’s irregardless a joint venture the hulls are British the gun is German.
Both countries are allied it belongs to both the reverse with the bickers mk7 the turret and gun are British the hull is German if it ends up in the German tree one day 🤷 I’m not advocating for one country to get it over the other inherently it belongs to both countries wherever or if whenever it comes I would get it regardless but it’s just an approved suggestion
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i am completly fine with britain getting it myself, we can throw them a bone.
I am just completly against the spread of misinformation, which you are doing.
Only cause rheinmetall worked on the challenger for the challenger 130, does not make it a joint venture.
There is still countries developing modifcation kits for leo 1s, or like i showed of for leo 2.
That doesn not make them join ventures. those nations are able to do it themself
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I’m comfortable with my opinion thanks bye 🙋♂️
That Challenger 2 pictured there is the Challenger 2E, which is an export variant and has a different transmission to in-service British Challenger 2s.
The standard Challenger 2 uses the TN54E transmission, which is British
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A simple solution: Germany gets Swiss Panzer 87-140; and the UK gets Challenger 130. For the sake of balance and diversity, due to the lack of similar projects.
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Those vehicles are not equal.
The 130mm is a vastly new generation of cannon. Not to mention the round.
The only comparable vehicles are the embt 140 and the Kf51 130mm.
Problem is embt 140 would be claimed by france since thwy developed the cannon.
And gajin might argue the Kf51 is best implemented in italy/hungary
Cause thwy are the actual service users of the KF51 120mm.
Thats why the challenger 130 rightfully ahould be implemented in gwrmany as well.
Else gajin starts just not giving germany its vehicles.
The main sources state its developed with germany in mind.
It was developed/built/tested in germany.
It is a rheinmetall germany project, not a rbsl project.
Just add it to both nations so everyone is happy.
Well besides the brits that get an aneursym if they have to share
I doubt that only france will get the EMBT with the 140mm ASCALON. Yes the gun is of french design but it is supposed to be the gun upgrade for both nations.
As far as I can see the 130mm is more of an interim solution until the EMBT is done and in production.
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So is the 130mm.
Its an active competition which gun is supposed to be used on the mgcs.
The 130mm is equal to the 140mm.
Amd honestly the french 140mm is losing the battle as the next european standard cannon /caliber
Germany has started the development of a leo 3 with 130mm. Italy/hungary both are getting KF51 variants with upgrade possibility to 130mm. And the challenger 3 is hand in hand with rheinmetall and likely upgrade possibility as well.
France has already lost the race for the new main caliber. Their best course of action now is to develop a 130mm variant of the ascalon.
If you say germany should get the embt 140mm, cause its supposed to be the next caliber for both nations.
Then you are saying germany should get the challenger 130mm as well.
Embt is only a show of concept that france and germany can work together as well, to test technology for the mgcs.
Germany is still dedicated to 130mm and france to the 140mm
France has priority when it comes to the EMBT 140. As you said the 130 seems to be the more likely NATO standard and unless that changes Germany shouldn’t get it. I agree with you on that.
Germany has rightfull claim to embt 140, challenger 130 and KF51 130.
Germany should just get them all.
While the embt cannon is french. Its still a 50/50 project of both germany and france.
They do not have a priority claim in it.
Its just sth convuluted that could happen if gajin starts weird distribution of those vehicles
I didnt say germany shouldnt get it. I said its not their prefered choice. But for war thunders implementations rules its completly eligitable
Overall I don’t really care who gets what unless nations start to really lack behind in terms of effective tanks (Britain, Japan).
I don’t even know how Gaijin will start off with adding these tanks. When it comes to the KF51 120mm version Gaijin will probably do the same as with the KF41 - add it to the Hungarian subtree only. KF51 130 goes to germany, no question there (unless Hungary purchases the 130mm version, then its a mixed bag again). Challenger 130 is another mixed bag. Overall I think Gaijin will add it to Britain just because it lacks other options but I would prefer it to be in Germany as well. The EMBT 140 in my mind strays to far from the EMBT 120. Both have french guns but since germany does not pursue the 140 as their main new caliber france is more fitting.
How Gaijin will handle this is unknown and its probably best to see what they have in mind first before we bash each others heads in.
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Yeah japan, israel,italy normaly do t have any upgunned options at all.
A fair implementation is those not possible in the first place.
And there i agree, that is completly fair.
Those were dpecialy developed for otaly and hungary in the first place.
I agree, but we know gajin. Its not above them to give some weird justification to give it to hungary/italy.
Embt 140 uses a french gun yes.
But the turret, chassis etc where still all developed with germany together. Its a knds germany/france project.
Its different then leo 2a rc 3.0, who is a knds germany, and the leo evolution who is a knds france project. Those specialy have the differentiation.
Thats why i just spread the real information of those vehicles to make people aware of their history and advertise for the fairesest implementation in both trees.
Germany developing so many ground vehicles should be an advantage.
Not a disadvantage. Us/russia/china csn have multiple modern air programms and receive those planes. Why shouldnt the same happen for germany ground
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real
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Freaking tiger 2 to sweden cause it was used as a target practice
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Still waiting for the russian Maus because it is in a museum in russia.
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