Maybe you are confusing it with the weight simulator…?
although wait… Now that I look at it, this may actually be Class 1, given the hull roof hasnt been raised yet…
welp, time for my next 6h sidequest of figuring out when it was raised…
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As long as UK get it, maybe, maybe I might be fine to german for having it, maybe we can agree on ‘that’ point.
But those ‘if we only limit one nation to grab, which nation should get the golden pass ticket and take priority’ part… I don’t think we can make an agreement. After all, we believe we should take priority because we built the chassis, and you guys believe Germans take priority because new guns were built by Germans.
I reckon this will be infinite parallel, and things are not that much clearer compared to the older RAM or Skink case.
Fawk, it is a damn shame that we will forever lose a child of the South African sub-tree. :|
I mean the gun and the name is German so 🤷♀️
Maybe idk some turret also do you have anymore information on that ts90 turret genuinely never seen that
Dont have enough personal knowledge there.
Uk definitly shiuld get the Su 30 and the rafale.
Specialy the rafale cause i want the french to suffer.
I dont care about copy paste, just give a nation their vehicles.
Copy paste is a non issue. We are long past it. The vehicles are everywhere either way. See leopards, f16s, f/a 18s ,sherman , t72and so on and on. People still bitching about it dont wanna accept the state pf the game thats already it
I meant it actually on th400 (if there’s anymore)
as you said, canada is not an offical nation in the game.
This stands for every nation and their exports. Why should germany be the exception?
You act like thats a new rule, it has always been the case. UK having not good exports to lesser nation in htat sence is the issue in that case. You could get jordanian vehicles well as example
You are twisting sth there. We bring the Vickers up because you guys deny us the Challenger 130. Why is the Vickers MBT MK7 ok for you guys, but the challenger 130 doesnt deserve to be in germany when its literaly similar circumstances? Vickers MK7 is a british project and ok for britain. Challenger 130 is a german project and ok for germany, thats how it should be.
So thats an own goal of your side and your double standard not from us.
history of british colonisation, doesnt make australia british owned. they are their own country
yeah, buit the challenger 130 is a german project, your are barking the wrong unjust tree there
buddy, i am all for the implementation in both nations.
I just wont stand for british denying the vehicle and it being a german based project
I will only defend its history, when people claim it has no place in germany
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sure except for the fact you want a tank that germans didnt develop and had a gun replaced to go to the german tree.
also “Within the limited three weeks time the work concentrated on verifying how the 130 mm gun is well balanced inside a current 120 mm turret, checking stabilisation.”
this is it. theres no proposal to the germans about a cr2 with a 130mm gun. it was a test that a PRIVATE company did to advance theyr development of something that may or may not be used.
also since you ppl feel entitled to russian vehicles from the time ussr was occupying half of germany lets give german vehicles to the french tree since it was occupied by the germans.
and btw whatever happened to the 130mm cr2 did it stay in germany?
yes, thats all what that vehicle is about lmao,
Even then strictly speaken the whole turret concept was developed by rheinmetall alone as a standalone project and UK decided to invest in it later on.
Fact is the whole challenger 130 concept is german. Look at the vickers mbt mk 7, u only put a vickers turret on a leopard as well. and there it is in your tree
advertised to germany specialy, it was a proposal of the gun get it in your head lol
u mean like the Panther "Dauphiné ? , france should get the german vehicles they used yes. i am all for it. I always stated i am for countries getting all their vehicles.
So much to your gotcha moment once again, realy stopy you repeteadly are embarrasing yourself there
dissasmbled with all relevant configurations that made it the challenger 130 and used further as a challenger 2 lep / challenger 3, which you are getting/ is in the game.
Challenger 130 is a seperate vehicle modification that never touched british soil
fun fact, i havent spoken a single lie the whole time, only the official facts.
You compared had multiple wrong assumptions and had to be corrected, educate yourself maybe first
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what turret concept? you dont even know if the autoloader wasnt something they did to pitch to the uk…
wrong again, the mgcs programme is something being pitched to more than germany and if rheinmetall chooses to put that 130mm gun anywhere it bellongs to germany according to you.
well there you have it. cr3 to the germans.
also in the article:
“The turret was developed on Rheinmetall’s own initiative and was not funded by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) for the Challenger 2 LEP assessment phase. The smoothbore gun was not part of the MoD’s LEP requirement, with the request for proposals focusing on mission system obsolescence.”
hey u go ahead and prove it, i only quoted the rheinmetall CEO, i am looking forward to your sources.
Besides that genius, a 130mm and 120mm autoloader are different, you know the size matters
still being stupid i see. The whole reason this modification has been made was to pitch the 130mm cannon for the race in the MGCS. The challenger 130 being 1 single advertisment of its capabilty and workability to germany
“The main objective for Rheinmetall is the MGCS programme, in which the 130 mm competes against Nexter’s 140 mm proposal.”
Challenger was only choosen cause your fat ass turret was easier to modify
“The British tank is a little wider than the Leopard 2, making things easier,”
Rheinmetall wanted to be lazy, it has no relation to the UK
CR 3 is a british mod project and only is for them.
The challenger 130 had nothing to do with the british project, its a standalone venture aimed at germany
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The ddr was a official part of the Germany military and all the equipment was moved on to the unique German bundeswehr we literally have photos of bmp1a1 bmp2s and t72 in unified German service
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A private German company for a German program what might be used in German service it had nothing to do with britan
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But German service doesn’t have interest in challenger with 130mm they have interest in Leopard with 130mm
in service is no requirement to be added to a tree , with the exact same statement the britains have no claim to it either, since there is no challenger 130 in service either, developed /exported vehicles whose user nation arent in game go to the nation that developed /exported them. Thats the standard rule most of the time, how it always was handled by gajin
Following the official suggestion rules it goes to germany, platantly, the british suggestion being made was against their own rules since the mod that handled it didnt now better.
There is no british intrest you can officialy prove either. The only hard facts that are proven is that its a standalone rheinmetall project made as an advertisment for germany.
Britains have not shown intrest in 130mm further and havent ordered them either.
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But it’s not even an export vehicle it’s just a demonstrator for the possibility of using a 130mm gun
That’s like claiming the teledyne low profile turret demonstrator on Centurion hull should be American when neither the USA or UK even considered it
made for germany by germany yes, and like all demonstrators in that case it would go to the developer nation
i have no idea about that vehicle, the developer country would get it in that case, like it always has been the case for demonstrators
Look at the Boxer MGS, demonstrator no country uses, went to germany cause they developed it
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man if that if that were only accounted for
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