This is changing with the Su-34 though.
It’s equal (maybe even superior to a few) to anything NATO has on almost all fronts. Except not having a tpod, but, KH-38s have a gen 3 thermal seeker, so they don’t really need one.
For GRB, the new mirage looks like it holds sum value, though big upgrades hopefully for it In the future.
As for the GR4, yeah, it’s niche
Theres no plane with two kh-38 in game. Its a su25 with 4 of them and su34 with 6 of them comming.
Agm65 is not comparable to kh38 given which spaas playing against both of them.
You know, im personally fine with kh38, as long as pantsir gets 12km missile. Kh38 still gonna be superior to mavericks in every single aspect, but its not completely outstanding.
In this scenario, everyone whos having Agm-65D/G or Kh-38MT/ML will be able to outrange top-tier spaa and play safe as su-25sm3 does right now.
One of the mods on Russian forum told me, that pantsir couldnt use this 12km missile (I personally think its fine to just swap it with 95ya6 for balance - this is the game after all). But if we change s1 for Roman, its also loses pesa track radar so its gonna actually require some braincells activity in order to intercept multiple munitions. Balance wise Roman still gonna be the best spaa at top tier because of missile quantity and ability to use guns at close ranges which is very underestimated thing.
Yes, I’m sorry I was confused with the Kh-29T. But what I meant is you find AGM-65 (not the AGM-65D) in lower BR where SPAAs can’t counter it. It’s the same situation you described but at lower BR, with multiple planes and with much more easy access to, like the A-10A Early, premium vehicle.
pantsir is not leaving, and im not sure why you think the devs will downgrade spaas instead of making them stronger in the future
Oh, my GOD, how much you can cry because of the pantsir. It seems to me that for such a long time, even a monkey would understand that the pantsir is perfectly outplayed and is not an invincible anti-aircraft gun. Flying at high altitude, you can easily scatter your missiles, bombs and whatever you want, no one will do anything to you. As for air defense systems, well, if you take airplanes, then the SU-25 is very difficult to get away from the aim 120. It’s expensive in terms of points, but what you wanted, the NATO doctrine does not imply good air defense, it assumes the superiority of aviation. Ask to reduce the number of points for aviation without weapons, from the air to the ground. Anyway, I’m very interested in why you need to replace Pantsir with Roman, which has never been in the series at all. Thor is much more logical here
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su-34 still has a bad fm , only gaijin will know how much more its gonna get nerfed on live server , its fm is worse than f16/15/14/20 , gripen/m2k/m4k/j10/jf17. it gets less flares than everything in this list except f20/chinese aircraft. camera fov is good but no thermals (but kh38mt gets thermals) , no hms so u cant use r73s to their max potential , r77s are only good at medium-close range. i wont say su34 is bad , but its a mid platform , but it gets amazing air to ground ordinance its gonna be much more cracked than su25sm3. will arguably be top 3 best cas. but tbh f15E is better , as it gets a better fm , more cm/ better a2a missiles. in squadron battles people will mostly spam f15e. i wish gaijin just added sapsan tgp instead of adding kh38s. i hope we get bigger sams & ARMs in december update.
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Sad story that affects not just ADATS, but many SPAAs at different BRs.
That being said, we need SPAAs that can match the range of CAS, so nerfing one that can actually do that isn’t a great idea for ground units. We would rather need more SPAAs that can do the same thing.
How plausible would be to launch at 14km and start dodging the missile while still maintaining lock onto Pantsir and getting out of that engagement as a winner ?
Strange, I got no issues having pantsir on enemy, when spawnin F16C, chinese helos brings a lot more threat compared to S1 showing on RWR.
Just dont fly only straight line , smack 2-4 mavericks on pantsir, or all 6 , return to airfield and rearm.
And on flakbus against su25sm3, you got something what rare AA got, it’s called smoke and situational awarness, just pop smokes and there goes 38 or spikes up in nowhere.
Pantsir can only rely on shooting those missiles in air.
Still best CAS planes atm, are F16, gripen and mirage.
Side note, spawning jet with Fox3’s also counter those slow SU’s quite easily.
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Ngl (modern-ish) British aircraft are growing on me, especially with how often they fly close to the ground like this lol
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You absolutely right here and your point is fair. Personally this how I see the balance on lower BRs:
Other nations:
- early precice guided munitions with really bad targeting systems (contrast scopes or extremely bad ir-seekers, like the ones found on A-10A late)
USSR:
- extremely potent non-guided rockets with huge tnt equivalent, like S-25O or S-24B. Lack of targeting systems whatsoever (planes like su-25 already have Kh-25/29L which is very good but they cant really shot them from its maximum ranges)
Also USSR have significantly stronger spaas on this BRs, but I think, overall, this is the theme for another topic.
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They already do. Spaas will have twice the amount of their munitions in a next major update. But its not the reason for me as a player to not provide my feedback and suggestions towards improving the game.
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Altitude wouldnt save you from pantsir.
Its actually an interesting point from the person who doesnt have a single top-tier cas plane on his account. Im not taking in to consideration your tornado, because your 134 ground targets killed could be:
- bots in arb
- made before S1 release
- made with USSR on your team, because Germany playing with USSR almost every time
Its not. Fox-3 is extremely easy to notch, unless its been launched from its no escape zone. You have crazy powerful spaa by your side and you can just camp on your own airfield.
So was yak-141… HSTV-L… F-16AJ… Should I continue?
Great idea. Its completely in line with other nations spaas and would fit perfectly to the game balance. If you just said the last sentence, Im sure you would get alot of upvotes.
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Not a big deal for an attacker. Its untouchable from the ground at all.
Not a big deal, considered its a lrage caliber ones with single drop mode
Which is the one and only a2g weapon you should use.
You actually can. It has “look up” CQB mode for radar and given its pesa, the lock happens in a split second.
Its ectremely good at close range and you wont get 30km kills even with amraams nowdays, unless you meet a really bad player who will ignore his rwr for 20 seconds.
Its your personal opininon. I would easly trade its better flight perfomance and countermeasures amount for an ability to strike from outside of spaas range. Quality of a2a munitions is a topic to discuss, as I mentioned above.
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Its also funny how no staff member has commented om this post.
They always claim things are not viable or to strong in the current meta, but when the community shows that the employees their home nation does have something which would be considered, “not viable” by the community, then they are not home to answer.
And when they answer, it’s always a stupid reason as well. Which always contradicts itself, because Russia does have something ingame that are by their given standards “not viable” or “to good to be in the game at the given moment”.
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Youre still in pantsirs range and he can easily kill you if he is good. Mavericks is extremely easy target for S1.
If only he sees a launch. Also there is only 4 smoke pops for him. Not a big deal for SM3.
They would be the best planes if there is no pantsir on the enemy team. As I mentione in my original post, every nation except USSR is constantly flying in the attack range of S1, while USSR itself can safely attack ground targets without any return fire from the ground.
Fox-3 is a treat for any aircraft. And much more dangerous, when you launch it from the altitude, because pantsir on your team made all enemy jets hug the ground, so youre missiles would have much more energy, comparing to your enemy missiles. That is the problem.
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Well if you play AA and dont look air tagets and “cant see missiles coming” you deserve to be killed by IR or TV missile.
Yeah, you spawn in pantsir range, you can still manouver and salvo those mavericks from different spots so they are not so easy to it, and having more than 1 air , that pantsir is F*** in that point.
Nope, that pantsir is nothing godlike against F16 , mirage or Gripen if that pilot has least 2 working braincells.
And no you really dont need to hug ground against pantsirs, if you are not going gun run against it.
- When I spawn in F16 , I dont take GBU’s at all to slow it down, switch radar immediately to TWS , and after that it’s up to you, will you launch 120 first or start looking that S1 using pod, lock it start turning either left or right smack mavericks and get back to arm. Works like a charm. If no aa, just go up on enemy spawn, airbrake and turn down, and shoot all mavericks from up and arm.
In theory, you can enter about 13-14km. Let the missile get close ISH with IOG. So then you can defend and reposition to switch your laser on about a minute later.
How practical that will be remains to be seen. Though they need their guidance time doubled. or better yet, upgraded to Brimstone 2. which would upgrade the motor, meaning less loiter time at close range or further deployment via IOG. You could pop one off at 25-30km ish. Reposition and enter laser spot range from a better position
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I have all the highest ranks in Germany, both in ground technology and in air technology, I am quite capable of storming a garbage tornado even against a pantsir. At an altitude of 8-10 kilometers, it is quite easy to get away from his rocket. And I also have high-end planes. I’m sitting here waiting for the Chinese Mirage 2000.