It isn’t helping that there is an event on where score is the main thing to farm, so people are willing to lose ground RP to just farm score and CAS is the easiest way to do that. It also doesn’t help that killing planes gives a far lower reward than killing tanks… having all your teams SPAAs ignoring planes and trying to kill tanks doesn’t help.
I think the main issues are filling the gaps in SPAAs that a lot of nations still have, give ALL SPAAs stealth belt options so they can engage with out making themselves a huge targets for both planes AND tanks (fixing tracer so the entire round doesn’t glow from all angles and is less visible from front on would help too), give proper rewards for killing planes to make it worth the effort and limit the amount of AP ammo they can carry so they actually shoot at planes instead of charging around the map spamming at tanks.
In my experience, the crusader AA mk.II is a great vehicle to turn heaven into hell. Additionally, the M13, M16, and BTR-152 are effective. The rest of the AA is total food for the CAS, which can’t do anything.
Don’t participate in realistic combined battles above rank 3 at all because of CAS. Game mechanics are rubbish; impossible and totally unrealistic gun accuracy, underwing bombs dropped ONE at a time leaving in some cases a 1000kg outboard without the plane crashing. Then there are those, obviously without any talent, that favour the Kamikaze approach. Give those that want to take on other tanks the option to do so without CAS by installing a filter similar to the NIGHT option…the customer is always right and never forgets indifference to requests. Let those that want CAS bomb each other continually around the clock and be welcome to it.
CAP has always been better than SPAA
If only you could get your team mates to do this. When I play SPAA in ww2 brackets and there is another spaa firing at a plane 5km away it makes my life harder for no reason. And there is ALWAYS someone doing this.
A large percentage of the people constantly crying about CAS are the people that are rolling their faces on the keyboard with their SPAAGs and using them wrong.
I’m also complaining about CAS.
My typical good game (I’m fairly bad at ground RB) looks like this:
Why?
Because flying planes is easier and actually relaxing.
I don’t have to look for every pixel, try to navigate a safe route through a map I don’t even know (so I have no idea where to look and where to park my tank). I just bomb.
I’ve more ground kills than air kills in most ww2 spaas. I have less than 10 air kills in crusader aa mk1 but way more ground kills
Nice straw man. If SPAA has to be far more competent than the average air player to get even a percentage of the success of an air player, the problem is with the vehicles not with the players.
You don’t need to be particularly competent to know that you’re just making noise spamming tracers at planes that are 5km away with WWII era SPAA. It’s a low bar to meet, but many still fail at this simple task. Maybe even the majority fail it.
People not knowing how to use SPAA is weird.
People learned how to dive bomb, people should be able to learn how to SPAA.
I would wager that it’s far harder to use spaa, mainly due to the 3rd dimension.
Spaa have to account for aircraft altitude, whereas tanks are guaranteed to be on the ground unless something has gone very, very wrong.
Perhaps a solution which would help is to allow all users to have the console assists when playing spaa.
The average player expects to hit a plane 2km away. Thats not realistic with most WW2 AA. 5km is just another straw man. 20mm AA, you might get a hit at 1.5km max and with a 40mm and .50 AA you are lucky to get a kill at 1km due to shell speed and lack of lethality in a single hit.
That being said, the bar for SPAA is high to get a kill. Tracking fast targets at long distances and killing them before they drop their ordinance is hard. The skill level for pilots is very low. Point at target, press space bar, crash into ground due to compression. still get kill. In most cases, the ground has a higher kill count than AA.
That also doesn’t take into account the absurd benefits given to planes that AA don’t see any of. If a 75mm AP round hits a tank engine, that engine fragments into the crew. Planes don’t generate spalling at all, so the pilot behind an engine is often invincible unless you can pen the entire engine or hit the cockpit. You will ‘kill’ the plane as they keep firing their guns at you and kill you in return. You can also direct hit pilots repeatedly with AA and they shrug it off. I had a Hampton point directly at my quad .50 the other day and i’m spamming hundreds of rounds into that cockpit and he doesn’t die until he hits the ground. And .50s are API, so those rounds should be penning and killing the pilot in just a hit or two.
It’s harder to learn 40mm SPAA, and so is 250 pound CAS.
However, I’d say learning 50 CAL and 20mm SPAA is as easy as learning 1000 or 2000 pound CAS.
Sure, 40mm is harder. Stands to reason with the lower MV and lower rate of fire.
There’s also the lack of forgiveness with spaa. You mess up your shots and you’re gonna die without a second chance, bombs are much more forgiving of mistakes.
Not a lot can really be done about that sadly.
One idea is removing the delayed fuses on ww2 era bombs. That would force planes to bomb from higher up making them far less accurate without bombing aides like CCIP or CCRP. I think it would really help and could be a decent middle ground.
That would change literally nothing and be unrealistic as well.
There is, call out for people to squad and teach them.
I generally just stay a little clear of those guys, but they end up being the best bait to a lot of fighters. Wait and bide your time until they end up going for them, and then let rip.
just play USA
no problems with CAS
we really just need to boycott the game til they remove air from ground game
CAS is a necessity imo in GRB. increase to BRs for CAS that have more ground attack capabilities and more incentive for people to use SPAA for there intended roles