You can’t tell what SP people have, just saying…
Like, no, what?
I can track 3 planes, maybe even 4 at a time, just by knowing and seeing who spawned at what time.
This is a reason why calling out air is important, and doing small things, such as actually calling for people to even spawn spaa if they have one because it is needed.
idk, cas at low br is not that bad maybe newer players are to scared or unexpierced to play them
Planes are and always will be the problem, especially as most SPAA is open-top meaning You don’t even have to hit it in order to kill It.
The best counter against air is another air and trying to use SPAA for most people ends as free SP for enemy team.
Remember, before replying it is always good to check peoples in-game profile to understand from where their point is coming from
You should define ‘trivial’ here…
But you have to actually be sure to get them, or a multiple of them to get the SP to continue.
What happens, if you don’t…
This is irregardless of the point raised, the profile doesn’t mean everything much the same as you bringing that, to every thread where this point is raised.
The same thing where KDR don’t mean diddly squat, especially when ‘discussion’ is to be brought forth with demands for ‘proof’.
Remember, there’s not always just one viewpoint, or angle of attack for anything… Sorry that you can’t actually maintain this, without that little poke prior.
If you’re going to lie to try and prove your point, at least make it believable.
a bit of urgency from the developer to do more separation of GRB and ARB and more mid BR spaa si needed. not nerfs or buffs
It does bro, we needed a gamemode which involve only ground vehicles, where the plane bois can go f themselves lol
They’re not bad people for just getting you though, and you don’t need it, you all demand it.
They are not as bad as top tier… WW2 Area I see quite lot of SPAA everywhere sometimes the entire team is SPAA and there are No tanks
Garbage players with one cap and few scoutings jumping in their premium planes is exactly how gaijin wants it.
I don’t think CAS is fine. CAS can destroy lobbies. Especially in the WW2 era. Yak 9K takes zero skill and if you are not an idiot you can get an easy 10-17kills with it. Any bomb above 500lbs takes zero skill too. Getting 3 kills when you only have 4 50kg bombs now that is skill. I don’t want CAS removed but the ordnance cost should be atleast trippled and you shouldn’t be able to spawn in with a simple point capture.
Just saw dude spawn russian katyusha truck, spam all his ammo in the first 20s of the game, do no damage (maybe he scored some “hits”, but that’s it), then spawn a goddamn fully loaded attacker and kill 5 guys.
It’s a perfectly balanced game!
After that initial slaughter (it was an 8 vs 8 game) enemy team was already steamrolling my team. Then Yak-9Ks arrived.
That’s the main problem. Gaijin provides SPAA options (although some countries have better systems at various BRs), it’s that players don’t want to play it as it’s boring. I’m not one of those, and I’ll happily jump into a SPAA to help the ‘team’.
People who just sit in the spawn firing at every CAS they see, regardless of the distance is the problem.
I’ve got a lot of time in SPAAs and I have a lot of experience defeating CAS. It does take some common sense, and requires that you understand the environment, the same as the ground part of the game.
More like useless.
Once CAS slaughter starts, and it’s as soon as 30s into the game as shown by the dude I mentioned), you need time to switch to SPAA. Once you do it, planes may be gone, or even better - now there are multiple strafing your team. You have 20s of spawn protection, within these 20s you may hit something…
…or not. I can hit people from 1200m away using plane.
Most SPAAs won’t be able to hit me, as all I have to do is turn towards SPAA, fire for 1s, turn back. And No SPAA shell, even Soviet ones, will cover the distance within 1s.
The only reliable way to deal with CAS is to spawn f.e. Fw 190 D9, and just smack them out of the air.
Too bad if you are on the receiving end of the CAS, it’s often game over.
One of my last few games: I spawn in VK3002, drive somewhere, I get shot because enemy got into position earlier than expected.
So I respawn in KV-1C, I get killed 10s after spawning by 9k.
Now I can only spawn Wirbell. 3 enemy planes fly around till one goes for me, ded, gg.
SPAA is just a last-ditch effort to get spawn points. Expecting it to be counter to CAS only works if you’re playing russia because roughly 2 14,5mm HE bullets hit as hard as 37mm shell, have more range and way better ROF, and German CAS planes of that BR are mostly single-bomb drops or things that are big and clunky like duck or Bf110/Me-410.
But your POV in War Thunder at least in realistic/arcade is not from inside the tank its from behind it in 3rd person, that’s why your engine sound gets louder when you zoom in to gunner scope and it becomes a 1st person POV, I’d leave such features/complaints for sim
It isn’t helping that there is an event on where score is the main thing to farm, so people are willing to lose ground RP to just farm score and CAS is the easiest way to do that. It also doesn’t help that killing planes gives a far lower reward than killing tanks… having all your teams SPAAs ignoring planes and trying to kill tanks doesn’t help.
I think the main issues are filling the gaps in SPAAs that a lot of nations still have, give ALL SPAAs stealth belt options so they can engage with out making themselves a huge targets for both planes AND tanks (fixing tracer so the entire round doesn’t glow from all angles and is less visible from front on would help too), give proper rewards for killing planes to make it worth the effort and limit the amount of AP ammo they can carry so they actually shoot at planes instead of charging around the map spamming at tanks.
In my experience, the crusader AA mk.II is a great vehicle to turn heaven into hell. Additionally, the M13, M16, and BTR-152 are effective. The rest of the AA is total food for the CAS, which can’t do anything.
Don’t participate in realistic combined battles above rank 3 at all because of CAS. Game mechanics are rubbish; impossible and totally unrealistic gun accuracy, underwing bombs dropped ONE at a time leaving in some cases a 1000kg outboard without the plane crashing. Then there are those, obviously without any talent, that favour the Kamikaze approach. Give those that want to take on other tanks the option to do so without CAS by installing a filter similar to the NIGHT option…the customer is always right and never forgets indifference to requests. Let those that want CAS bomb each other continually around the clock and be welcome to it.
CAP has always been better than SPAA
If only you could get your team mates to do this. When I play SPAA in ww2 brackets and there is another spaa firing at a plane 5km away it makes my life harder for no reason. And there is ALWAYS someone doing this.
