There are a large number of players that would disagree with that statement, myself included. My community is amoeba-sized in comparison to the playerbase at large, but you can just see with the sheer quantity of hatred towards the mechanic that something needs to change. Just looking at the popular threads in the old and new forums should tell you the same thing. I also can’t explain how people that do absolutely fuck all seem to get into suicide P-47s or Stukas constantly. I can’t explain it, but it’s a stream of that garbage every match 4.7 or lower.
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What? More people responded to that poll than will ever vote or appear on these forums. I would love to have the power to poll the community at large, but sadly this is all I have. Regardless, as I mentioned you can come to the same conclusion based on the traffic to topics on Reddit or these forums. People do not like CAS, you are the minority. If there wasn’t a profit motive to keep aircraft in the mode, I think tanks would have their own space by this point.
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Who said anything about a rebuttal? I can make whatever point I want in any way that I wish.
Advocating for change is good, but do you have the information that shows what vehicle type is favored the most by the community? If for some reason aircraft are still the most popular vehicle type played in Warthunder, then why would they change any of the game modes away from their most popular vehicle type? I haven’t seen the data, so I can’t say what is true or what isn’t in those terms. In regards to the tank only mode on the old forums, I bet it was. Unhappy people go to the forums and advocate for change, so it would make sense that the most players that don’t like aircraft is ground battles would be there. That being the most popular thread doesn’t mean that the mode change would be popular for the entire playerbase or the best option for Gaijin.
I made an argument about player controlled SPAA in Air RB. Not at all was it about SPAA in ground battles.
Not really the same arguments at all. Vastly difference gameplay and situations would be present, which I already explained. In Air RB, player controlled SPAA would have no real usefulness, wherein ground mixed battles you need to defend from striking aircraft. Using an SPAA in ground helps your team by applying pressure to attacking aircraft. Doesn’t even have to get kills all the time if it makes planes redirect and have to abort attacks.
If noone has an SPAA, then that is a team issue. If you don’t keep one in your lineup, that’s your problem. If you die because of CAS and then don’t spawn in as an SPAA, that is your decision and you have to deal with it. You could even spawn in as an SPAA as a first vehicle and be prepared for CAS to appear since it is so overused you should have plenty of targets.
I see that bias is afoot. I could imagine that your community, like any community, is full of like minded people as people will gravitate to ideals they agree with. Don’t forget, people are always the loudest when they are unhappy.
This goes back to what I said earlier about the popularity of vehicles. What if, by some chance, you are wrong about people not liking CAS being the majority? What if aircraft are the most popular part of Warthunder and it is better for Gaijin to keep aircraft in every mode?
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If I were to base my opinion in regards to Plebbit and forums, I would come to a conclusion that everyone plays only GRB and other modes are dead. In reality however, it’s AB that is the most played and RB is down on the bottom.
The problem is not CAS itself, but the sheer amount. I personally am guilty of it too. ARB became a trash mode, that 16v16 was last nail in the coffin. I play GRB now for the planes. If they gave us a good air mode like ARBEC, we would go away from GRB. Simple as.
I mean thats just wrong. We have almost double the votecount in terms of polls on the forum:
Honestly, as far as actually knowing if this is the case in terms of the general Warthunder population its hard to tell.
Like yes if you make a CAS poll you will have promising results, but also like Thunderskill or Thunderskill derived dataprojects, its a case study in how biased samplesets form.
A well deserved ARB and GRB br split for air is seemingly on the way, i can see that alliviating gripes people have with the air-ground interactions (props to Gaijin for putting that work in for what is afaik decidedly the least popular gamemode that is not naval)
There was one poll by one Youtuber with numbers in 1000 with even more interesting results (saying air is not balance).
Sadly people don’t care about it and will find any reason to say that it is not valid
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I guess you are talking about Dollar?
Yeah, I had no idea that poll existed as I don’t browse these forums often. That being said, the total response isn’t much more than my own community poll, which is honestly pretty damning considering this should be the center for communication on the game. I think it’s also telling that the poll entirely agrees with my community’s sentiments. Just based on revenue numbers and quantity of vehicles sold, I think it’s pretty clear tanks are the more popular of the three vehicle types in this game.
Yep, if You have it You can post it
I have no idea where to start looking honestly, but I know the results.
I’ll try to find it.
I think that was the biggest poll about the topic
Edit: we already have it :D
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An overwhelming display of a community vote. Something that gaijin will most likely ignore because they never had the intention to make a seperate ground forces mode. Despite air still enjoying their very own mode.
So the least they can do is rebalance cas. Same as they did with arcade. Making cas an extra for the game mode. An actual reward for achieving something. As cas works in ground realistic right now no longer works.b
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Ah yes, another plane hater playing combined arms mode and complaining about it, then spreading lies such as GRB being TO when it never was.
Well its probably the same biased sampleset of experienced people who go to warthunder forums aswell as actually go to the CAS threads.
One does not get “the average/medium” Player here on the forums, and thats the case for basically any forum.
Afaik per the newer Warthunder dataprojects (which afaik has sampling issues in favor of experienced players). The least popular gamemodes is in general the RB ones, and then the subset of that which is the least popular of the two which is Ground.
(I am intentionally ignoring naval)
Its entirely possible there is more revenue to be had in Ground RB, but we dont exactly have statistics to indicate this is the case.
There is a reason i point to biased sampling, because my god people use biased samplesets to try to argue for buffs or nerfs often on the forums.
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Another for bingo!
You can bring evidence, polls, replays but in the end the „muh You play wrong game” argument will be used. Same gameplay for another 1000 years!
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CAS fills too many plot holes in the game for Gaijin to remove it .Take CAS away and the hideous tier system would be more noticeable and veterans in a full down tier would steal the game and get top place by a mile even more than they do now.
I have noticed that in some battles I fire one shot a get no kills then die and can spawn is some planes having little more than a 100 points.
I feel that the OP makes a good point here and its a point of CAS not being earned.
Getting enough points to earn a bonus vehicle is something video games have been doing for years even if it makes a strong player stronger.
I think we are ignoring what the OP said and have just drifted off into another anti CAS/Pro CAS rant here
If it’s possible to get a clearer sample size than the poll I just posted from DOLLARplays then I’m not aware of it. The dude’s audience is as casual as you can get and they don’t like being CASed.
You can also just keep lying how GRB was TO when it never was, your choice.