“relatively low profile” is the size of a t-80 lol
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In wont go to 10.3 cause the incompetency of Gaijin knows no bounds. When it comes to balancing all they see is money and could care less if it balanced.
It should bare minimum go to 11.3 with the HSTV-L (which is just a straight up worse 2S38).
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brother I’ve had a few times where I shot the 2S38 dead center from the front and it did not die because fuel tank armor ate my round and I only killed one crew just for it to return fire and kill me
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if HSTV-L was a Russian premium it would have been sitting right next to 2S38 at 10.0 or maybe even lower because it doesn’t have proxy shell and shoots slower
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Personally I think especially after the massive reload buff it got in the dev server it needs to go to 11.3/11.0, and that the HSTV-L should get back it’s historical reload of like .5 or .3 seconds whatever it was
By making the HSTVL look better than it is and claiming it’s superior to the 2s38- helps keep the 2s38 from getting an up tier(DEFENDING/preventing it from becoming balanced). Just to clarify the way I saw it.
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The HSTVL would not be OP at 10.7 by any means. It’s easy to kill, the shells don’t spall, and it would still have trouble penetrating MBT’s from the front without aiming.
The commanders aiming control at good angles would & still be its greatest asset. But so is the Bradley at 10.0.
- Its speed and size isn’t a good enough reason to keep it at its current BR, considering a t90 or leopard can survive double digit sabot hits from the HSTVL in the side AND SURVIVE.
Just my opinion.
He literally spawn in with bunch of clowns the moment someone mentions either Russia is OP and nerf few of its stuff or buff something American.
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Just played 5 matches in a row with a 9.0 lineup, in a 10.0 uptier because in every match there was a 2S38, and some of them were dominating the game.
This vehicle must be nerfed ASAP, just because it’s simply good at everything, it can even easily shoot down aircraft up to 4 km, without even triggering LWS on helicopters.
Looks like a shady pay2win vehicle to me…
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The ZSU-37-2 is at 7.7 with radar
The Falcon is 8.3 without radar
Why is the 2S38 not the same BR as the Otomatic?
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Why can the 2S38 face the MBT-70?
This MBT was designed in the 70s. It should not be facing APFSDS from 2022.
HSTV-L is much faster than such tanks as T-72, T90 of all modifications. So at its BR it is one of the fastest, if not the fastest tank in the game!
Have you encountered many of the tanks you listed at BR 10.0?
Does Derivation have the same radar as Otomatic?
Does Derivation have the same radar as Otomatic?
As someone who’s played 9.0 (which is now 9.3), seeing the 2S38 when you’re in a 1A5, OF-40 Mk.2A, or having teammates in Chieftain Mk 10s or Type 74 (F/C)s isn’t uncommon.
The only real difference in SPAA ability between the OTOMATIC and 2S38 is the radar and the OTOMATIC having maybe an extra 1-1.5km of effective range, which imo would warrant a 0.7 BR difference (maybe 1.0). Seeing how the 2S38 can hold much more APFSDS than the OTOMATIC (6.16 times more even if it brings half APFSDS and half HE-VT), that would close that gap to 0.3-0.7 BR, imo.
Buy 2S38 and then tell me how often you will see BR 9.0.
This is your opinion, which is not supported by anything. Where do you get the figure that radar gives an efficiency increase of 1-1.5 km? Firstly, the radar makes it possible to detect air targets early, which greatly increases its effectiveness against aircraft.
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They should reduce the 2S38’s BR to 6.7, after all the Ontos has 400mm of penetration that’s nearly double what the 2S38 has.
No it will remain the same as all the other Russian tanks. They were not implemented to be anything other than a massive advantage and a counter to everything.
If you are looking for anything balanced, play literally any other nation. :)
After 10 years I have just accepted Russia is easy mode and implemented in such a way that they are considerably better than their contemporaries.
It sucks and is very shallow.
Just dont expect anything to change.
How much you personally see 9.3 versus how much any 9.3 player sees a 2S38 happen at different frequencies, with the 9.3 player having a higher likelihood of seeing any 2S38 versus you specifically seeing 9.3.
I mean true, but I think the suggested BR differences make sense.
- The radar doesn’t increase the effective range, I said the OTOMATIC has a radar and it has 1-1.5km more effective range.
- Being able to detect targets without a radar is harder, hence why I said in terms of SPAA ability the 2S38 is maybe 0.7-1.0 BR below the OTOMATIC.
I regularly play this BR and practically don’t notice the 2S38 in battles.
Are you saying that the Otomatic has an effective range of 1.5-2 km?
Wait! But the Automatic already has a BR-1 difference at the moment! At the same time, the Automatic has armor penetration almost 100 mm higher than the derivative, due to the radar it is able to detect air targets earlier. In terms of fighting air targets, it is much better than the 2S38. In terms of fighting tanks, it also has an advantage due to greater armor penetration, but at the same time it is limited by the number of shells. And instead of complaining about the 2S38, you should create a topic for improving the Automatic. Namely, filling the ammo rack at the discretion of the player.
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I wish that was my experience.
It has 1-1.5km more effective range (~5.5-6km against barely-moving targets, where the 2S38 has ~4.5km against the same type of targets).
Having potentially 148 APFSDS is much better than having 12 with more penetration, and the 2S38 is a much less obvious target than the OTOMATIC (plus the OTOMATIC has a massive breech that is easy to take out).
I’m the guy who wrote the acknowledged bug report to increase the OTOMATIC’s APFSDS count to at least 38, lol. They haven’t implemented it yet.