The ZSU-37-2 is at 7.7 with radar
The Falcon is 8.3 without radar
Why is the 2S38 not the same BR as the Otomatic?
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The falcon is 8.3 because it looks at things and they die.
2S38 performs poorly at its current BR so isn’t getting moved.
A prime example as to why statistics-based matchmaking is good on paper, but horrible for the game overall
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I still prefer it over having gaijin look at stat cards and guess.
The main issue is with vehicles with a low player count.
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Why? 2S38s are really not an issue. I’d take the vilkas all day over a 2S38.
Because they have a much more well rounded kit that most of the vehicles at the BR, the point is that it could quite easily be redesignated as an SPAA and either be placed higher or have it’s dart limited like the OTOMATIC and then all complaints about it will vanish.
They need to ditch the static based system and form up a team that has people like Oxy, BPAJohn and other Gaijin payroll people who actually play this game alot.
It would not take long to from them to figure these most problematic BRs out, and even if it would take long, it would still be worth it.
Happy customers keeps business alive.
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We all know that would never happen.
Redesignating it a SPAA would be a buff since it would lower the SP cost. The 2S38 isn’t really that scary of a vehicle and people like to massively overreact to it. It’s just not as good as people like to make it out to be.
Gaijin doesn’t ‘look at statcards’ as their source of statistics, they have a database of the performance of all vehicles in game and balance based on outliers for the BR bracket (say that a group of experienced players suddenly decided to go and play a random italian TD, massively inflating the statistics and causing it to be raised to a new BR, now it’s higher it will perform worse in the hands of a new/average player and will be shifted out of compatible lineups, causing Void BRs and a plethora of other balancing issues).
The same concept applies to premium vehicles, especially the most popular ones like 2S38, it’s an extremely capable vehicle but is driven down statistically since the player base is mainly new/average players who die often and on paper this makes it look like the vehicle is underperforming whereas in reality it’s not.
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The same concept applies to premium vehicles, especially the most popular ones like 2S38, it’s an extremely capable vehicle but is driven down statistically since the player base is mainly new/average players who die often and on paper this makes it look like the vehicle is underperforming whereas in reality it’s not.
The same reasoning could be applied to any premium vehicle, yet it still performs poorly compared to most premiums around the region.
If you took a vehicle like the Begleitpanzer and made it a premium, it would perform just as poorly, the 2S38 is an autocannon tank which means it’s going to perform poorly in the hands of people who are not experienced AKA do not know flanking routes/weakspots and just spray&pray then whine about wasting their money while decreasing the statistics
For br changes, i know. For initial brs, they do go off of the stat card.
Or you just accept that the 2S38 isn’t actually anywhere near as overpowered as people would like you to believe. It’s a powderkeg that doesn’t even do the hulldown shtick well since anybody who knows what they are doing will just shoot the ammo in the turret for a free kill. If you’re out in the open then unless the person shooting at the 2S38 is intentionally trying to miss the ammo they are dead. The limited gun depression also reduces viable positions, tied in with how the maps keep getting reworked and made smaller and the 2S38 just doesn’t perform that well.
Frankly it should stay where it is and I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped trying to get one of my greatest sources of easy kills moved away into a BR I don’t really play. (Not that it matters because the statistics won’t allow it).
To me personally, I prefer to play vehicles on the lighter/mobile side and having to deal with some trigger happy manaic who has been handed a 200+mm penning dart with autocannon fire rates is a kick in the balls, especially since they are so prevalent in the matchmaker. Facing the 2S38 is fine if all you play is MBTs with consistent armour, allowing you time to react but if they get the first shot off and your playing anything short of an abrams or leopard, best believe they are winning that duel or leaving you very damaged.
To me personally, I prefer to play vehicles on the lighter/mobile side and having to deal with some trigger happy manaic who has been handed a 200+mm penning dart with autocannon fire rates is a kick in the balls
The 2S38 isn’t the best at this regardless, the vilkas is far more of a threat to light vehicles or even bringing the falcon up.
Facing the 2S38 is fine if all you play is MBTs with consistent armour, allowing you time to react but if they get the first shot off
If they get the first shot off you’ve already slipped up anyway. If it was any vehicle other than the 2S38 and they got their shot off first you’re most likely dead or disabled anyway.
They just aren’t really much of an issue if you’re paying attention.
If two light tanks meet, the one getting the first shot of usually wins. Both are going to be able to easily one shot each other.
Vamilad can you think before creating a thread?
ZSU-37-2 is terrible, I mean you have to drive backwards to get a good acceleration, no depression and the Radar lock is unclear, making the IRST swings when locked to a target.
Falcon has, despite a lower caliber, access to better ammunition, and even stock, can be usable against both tanks and aircraft. Never had a issue with the absence of a Radar,
And I see you just put “Why are the 2S38 and the OTOMATIC not the same BR” just to bring attention to this thread because it was discussed multiple times. You’re just farming positive reactions with hot topics.
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