So same as a maverick or any other guided missile.
This was my first air-to-ground guided missile, apart from Nords and Bullpups, so I don’t know if the Martel is on par with the others. From the opinions of several people and from my own experience, it seems to be much worse. Maybe it makes sense, since it’s an anti-ship missile anyway, but it doesn’t work well even against ships.
I seem to have a harder time hitting targets when I do this. Climbing to around 3 to 4km and firing from 6km out seems to work decently well for me.
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Does anyone remember when the Bullpups were first introduced and you could use them with the missile tracking cam to basically have a TV missile? Surely Gaijin could introduce something similar for the Martel?
Gaijin could totally do that, but I think they are worried that players will find ways to use that and be completely unkillable for any AA system
Meanwhile the KH-38:
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It’s from Jane’s International Defense Review 1988: Volume 21, Issue 9, page 1210.
From a quick read it says that with romor a the chieftain can withstand attacks from a 127mm charge from the front and sides. And with romor B passive armour it provides protection equivalent to the stillbrew armour for both ke and ce. And composite c being a light weight alternative for light vehicles.
Also that Varma would stop Russian 125mm apfsds from 1500m (it cuts off between apfsds and 1500m so I’m assuming from). They say it doubles the ke and ce protection of the m60 and m48 with Varma add in armour applied. This is referencing both era and passive Varma tiles.
Also what Russian 125mm apfsds round would they be referring to from 1988?
I believe Mango was first seen in 1986.
So that’d be funny if there were maps that weren’t Maginot and weren’t a CQBfest
I’m more thinking along the lines of the side blocks on the challengers, as they’ve been said to be many things including varma. As well as on the avre which I think are romor b plates perhaps.
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Cr1 mk 3 VARMA. Cr2 DL 2E 2Fe 2Fl 2G VARMA, 2H 2I turret side VARMA hull side ASPRO-HMT
It’s kinda hard to read the lower right excerpt but it says the passive VARMA will block the soviet 125mm apfsds round from 1500m. Also a chieftain with passive ROMOR B and active ROMOR A on the top right which I think is cool. With it also saying it can defend against 127mm heat warheads from the front and sides of the turret and hull. Meaning RMOR A should defend against whatever the 127mm heat warhead is flat on.
Also while I was mucking about checking armour values I worked out the nera elements inside the cheeks of the challenger 1 only have a ke equivalent of 0.45 and ce of 0.87 when being shot at flat on. Is this just a quirk of how gaijin model nato composite?
Nice, makes it a lot clearer. But I’m assuming we’ve already tried using this as a source to buff Varma and romor a already….
Hmmmmm… that does seem a bit much but equally if that were so being invulnerable to mango above 1500m would be welcome
A bit much? It’s out out 1500 and it is composite not era.
The problem is that finding any other source claiming it can stop it is, hard. IDR is the only source claiming it can stop 125 from 1500m, no information in what scenario. Retrofit state it is effective against AFPSDS and HEAT, no hard values. THE VICKERS TANKS: FROM LANDSHIPS TO CHALLENGER stated it can stop 30mm APDS and that is were i went with my report, trying to buff it for over 82mm of KE.
I’m assuming that one of these is what’s used for the turret cheeks, I haven’t checked CR1 plates much and I can’t check in-game atm
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For a little clarity, KE/CE modifiers of composite armour aren’t fixed, gaijin have a spreadsheet of armour effectiveness for different parts of different vehicles, and the composites are adjusted to meet those values.
For example, the RHA backing plate for the CR2 turret cheeks was changed from 50mm to 38mm a couple weeks ago, and alongside that the KE/CE modifiers were adjusted to make sure the cheeks didn’t lose effectiveness overall.
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Yeah, was just surprised is all. But I was doing it because I was told the side composite was either chobham or Varma and I thought I could get a rough look at its protection values by doing this. But knowing more about nera and composite it just pisses me off gaijin actually think it should be 30mm…. Nera is made to stop chemicals as well as kinetic and yet in game it’s glorified era with it being able to be destroyed just like it instead of being shot off like the Leo 2a5 composite cheeks.