British Weapon Systems - Technical data and discussion

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Makes the most sense in this topic hence why im posting it here

Love the F22 shooting down the J20 with a missile at like 200m away.

Hopefully that’s not what their doctrine says about using missile.

The good point is its great to simulate dogfigth without the danger in flying into your opponent.
But it seems to have multiple caveat.
How heavy is this thing? If the computer is on your head and you have to pull 9G , gl to the pilot.
Is it truly usefull in BVR (where modern combat would probably take place)?
Like at 50/60km aways, you’re not going to see the ennemy anyways (“Beyond visual range” : it’s in the name). Making the ennemy visible would be useless, for BVR training atleast you need real oponent which you can lock up with your radar/ irst or do it all on a simulation.
Maybe the thing integrate some kind of BVR simulation on the onboad computer with fake radar solution but then the whole visualitation part is useless.

Yeah the F-22 v J-20 is hilarious but honestly i’m Unsure about alot of it, outside of the fact its already in use with the USAF,
I imagine theres alot more capabilities than is shown in the video, with the WVR stuff being shown because its the easiest way to show its capabilities to the average joe so to say.

It isn’t any heavier or obtrusive than a JHMCS that they would wear normally

It doesn’t matter. it assists with BFM training, and that isn’t going away any time soon.

Since you are in the cockpit it can just be the display portion which is quite light. Lighter than current HMS systems… a cable can run to the interconnect for the helmet to the aircraft systems. Like being hard wired with a VR system.

AR / VR systems have actually made huge leaps in progress in making helmet mounted sight and display systems cheaper, lighter, more rugged, and more reliable for military applications. So much so that we have been testing them on tanks as well.

Anyone know gaijins stance on adding apds for our 57mm (and maybe the 75mm but I’m not sure we ever issued or had an apds round for it) and 17pdr on the firefly? Seems a bit silly giving Americans their super shot which was their answer to needing more pen. Would make the Cromwell mk1 a menace and give the Churchill mk3 the little buff.

Hmmmm an M48 in the British tree perhaps? :o

merhaps

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Would require BR increases for those vehicles that get them.

I would take that for the Cromwell mk1, would give a very nice ~4.7 medium to bring. As for the Churchill it would let give it anything too powerful so I don’t think it would.

There was no 75mm APDS but there was the American prototype APCR that never made it to Britain.
There is no reason however for us to not have M61 with HE filler because usually they also replaced the Shellite(?) filler with concrete for American vehicles.

Source?

Verified SRAAM moment:

Dont get me wrong. Id love for the range increase and the all-aspect capabilties…

But this is what they need to fix above everything else and I just dont get why it does crazy stuff like this so often

Edit: Added some better views (Kinda loving this new replay system)

Even after that first SRAAM, the second shot nearly missed as well which you can see at the end

(Also let me know if a bug report is needed for that, though I forgot to hit my screenshot button)

Edit 2: Threw a bug report together just because I could: Community Bug Reporting System

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So, did some testing. It appears SRAAM will do this consistantly if fired within around 400m

So the question is… Is this correct behaviour?

A min range of around 500m and a max range of around 800m.

I can understand them missing with extreme off-boresight shots, but these shots, where it simply needs to fly in a straight line to hit the target feel… very wrong

If it isnt correct then I have ammended my earlier bug report with this new information

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6 pounder has had APDS in the files for several years, gaijin just originally said “too strong at low level” then we got Swedish APDS, now its “not needed” i believe as the argument.

Historically correct ammo for the Churchill Mk 3 too iirc as churchills were quickly rearmed with 6 pounders and APDS for Totalize. (1 in 3/4 churchills were armed with 6 pounders due to heavy tank fears and a lack of 17 pounder gun tanks so the tank brigades could defend themselves)

Would be nice for the Churchills imo given they are relatively just, meh?

The chieftain did a video on it and I am the last person to be able to find that kind of a source. Especially when it was a surprise to him let alone me. They made apds rounds for the 75mm, 76mm and 90mm. However they found it had a 30-40% increase to penetration over the apcr while also having a 65% decrease in accuracy and so decided to stick with apcr. The accuracy problems were from a range above like 800m or something I can’t really remember, but it does make sense why they went for apcr.

I would just like a 57mm sabot for the Cromwell 1, would make a very good 4.7 to even maybe 5.0 medium that’s faced and has quick reloading apds slinger.

The sraams have always been buggy like that, the only thing is they managed to fix this kind of behaviour on the r73s without even trying to fix it on the sraams. It causes the missile to miss rather easy shots, and reduces its max g load. Hopefully they get around to fixing our sraams and red tops so we can actually have some decent jets at and around 9.0 to 10.0. Because if the red tops are fixed the sea vixen should probably go up to 9.0 while the lighting could maybe stick where it is or become 9.7.

Would also make it easier to add the TSR2 as now it would be stuck at 10.3 or 10.0 with red tops.

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Would love a hawk with SRAAM too

Sea Harrier isnt half bad but yeah, 9.0-11.3 we are kinda weak.

But yeah, SRAAM would be the perfect buff instead of 9Ls for the Jags