Brimstone 1 is. Brimstone 2 wouldn’t necessarily be. Even with SAL. Brimstone 3 would definetly not be worse (prox fuse)
But alas, Gaijin thinks the 2 and 3 are marketing lies
it would say its better than aim179 as its a faster missile and probably has longer range, the fact they won’t give it its true ablity is a load of crap as russian missiles can fire without line of sight so the arguement is invalid
sigh… no you are wrong.
Those high frequency radars on hellfire and brimstone lock only at very limited range (2km is sometimes quoted as extreme range). So to make them work you’d have make them lock on after launch, they have no IFF so they will just kill anything in seeker range (or IRL boundaries setup on kill box). That would make you just spam them into AO and hope you don’t teamkill enough to get kicked becuase you wont die.
Now enters another question if those can LOAL why are other missiles limited to LOBL and now you can see that IR missiles that can search and from further away are immidietally better than radar missiles.
And we’re back at square one.
Reality is that radar missiles for helicopters are fulda gap fantasy and thus either extremly unfair (to tanks or to planes with IR LOAL missiles) or kinda mid while escalating anti ground capability in game
edit: oh and don’t call it agm-179. Thats just fancy hellfire what we have in game is KH-38-like fake missile JAGM-MR
if they were using the missiles inbuilt radar sure, but most vehicle that use it have their own radar, which surely extend that lock range, im sure using the longbow radar would increase it, otherwise what would have been the point of developing the agm114l. the problem i see is laser guidance is limited as its easily counted by smoke as is ir missiles, the radar missile is harder to spoof unless tanks use jamming equipment or have their own chaff dispensers to confuse the missile, and im sure the missile is datalinked irl so it would know what target is friendly and what isn’t
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Literally what i said, you launch in LOAL on location or “killbox”. Radar doesn’t “extend” the range, its just a detection tool for an aircraft to make where to point missiles to search for targets
Literally just fulda gap. This is “tank destroyer” of old perfected. Fly to the breach, launch all your ordinance into aether, die - quite literally the doctrine expected extreme casualties, so hope was to get more of the enemy in the first salvo
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think you need to read on mbda website on this missile as it has man in the loop to meet the restricted rules of engagement, and the fact calling it a missile that doesn’t know what its targeting is wrong as it uses advanced ai to know where and how to attack targets depending on what it is, the fact everyone says it will be a hazard to friendlies is wrong as its designed to be close air support, if it targets friendly vehicles that’s a pretty poor close air support weapons
Am i arguing that they should be both removed? No
By actual standards, JAGM-MR is more fake than KH-38MT and i’m tired of people saying KH-38MT is fake while JAGM-MR actually requires us to trust the manufacturer more (and add that we trust American manufacturer but not any other).
The missile has not been procured by anyone, all new sales, including very recent ones still front and center only mention JAGM - Fancy hellfire
Because JAGM-MR has actually been tested and there is records of this?
KH-38MT only has a mock up
No? By this same argument the AMRAAM-AXE doesn’t exist because no one has bought it yet. Nor does the RVV-BD or RVV-SDM. Or the PL-17. Yet they do exist. Not to mention we have actual testing done at China Lake, which means that the JAGM-MR has been actually tested by/in the presence of officials of the USN.
At least brimstone exists and would bring the uk a weapon that can be fired from apache, at least it’s more realistic than the Russian missile that only exists in mock up models,
Brimstone 1 / Dual Mode would be identical in flight performance to Hellfire 2, they are aerodynamically identical and share the same motor. Brimstone 2 however would be better, but we already have JAGM-MR in that range class. Which is also fit with an IIR head, where as Brimstone 2 would still be SAL/IOG up until mmW can be introduced.
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You have a source on that motor sharing? because in game they are worse than hellfire in motor
You know what they’re similar in weight (~2lb) difference but the layout is different, meaningfully or not I don’t know;
though this text suggests they’re similar enough to share in production with the Hellfire Motor;
Brimstone 3 would be even better
The impulse is correct for in game for brimstone.
Is hellfire overperfoming then? Unless its made from some alien structural material to be lighter in dry mass it doesn’t make sense for that motor to have exactly same impulse (at lower missile mass making more deltaV)
interesting, but im lead to believe unlike hellfire, brimstone is supersonic although i guess it would be if launched from a jet like typhoon, but i assume it would be the same from helicopter surely?
From a static launch, I doubt it, even the Brimstone 2/3 with the better motor, but dont quote me on that.
Being fired though from near or even above Mach 1, would probably push it into supersonic whilst the motor is burning at least.
Big part of why I want the SAL Brimstone 2 on the Tonka and Typhoon would be the much better Time to target, meaning less time needed to be lasing the target. Would also make them harder to intercept
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that’s the thing its one of those things that is going to be hard to find out or confirm, as mbda does not specify its speed for either jet launched or helicopter launched, would be nice to think it would be supersonic at least while the motor burns and then uses that speed to reach out further being from what ive seen it should have way longer range that hellfire
And how do you come to that conclusion?
There is evidence, in the form of a press release from Lockheed Martin, that JAGM-MR was a functional missile. There is no evidence that Kh-38MT was ever built as a functional weapon.
This is not about trusting American companies more than Russian companies. It is simply a case of the Russian company not providing any evidence while the American company did. However, weak you think her LM’s evidence is, it is one more piece of evidence than exists for Kh-38MT.
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