British Helicopter Tech Tree - Discussion Topic

Well the most compelling statement for it comes from a research paper titled
VISUAL EFFECTS OF HELICOPTER MANOEUVRE ON WEAPON AIMING PERFORMANCE by P.R.Michael. T.E.Jardine and M.K.Goom in their role at British Aerospace Dynamics Group
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BAe Dynamics had incorporated BAC (Guided Weapons) the developer of Swingfire, in 1977. Mr. Jardine being the Chief Systems Engineer for Anti-Tank Guided Weapons at BAe Dynamics.

This dates the paper as being written after hawkswing was cancelled, but the paper states that the research detailed was carried out as part of the development of a helicopter-launched variant of Swingfire, later clarifying that such a weapon became designated as “Hawkswing”.


And in outlining the characteristics of Hawkswing, states that the project intended to arm both Lynx and Gazelle with the missile system.

So basically we have a primary source of info from the weapon system manufacturer, saying they started development of Hawkswing for the UK and it included arming Gazelle.

The full paper can be read online here https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA065234.pdf published by NATO as part of a 1978 scientific journal. It’s the 25th article in the journal, and starts on page 213 of the digitised version.

And so far as Gazelle’s anti-tank role for the UK goes, there’s a source in Westland’s briefing notes for Pathé News’ coverage at the 1972 Farnborough air show (then known as the Society of British Aerospace Companies Show)

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WESTLAND/AEROSPATIALE GAZELLE.CO-OPERATIVE PROJECT. AEROSPATIALE DESIGN. 60 PER CENT MANUFACTURED BY WESTLAND. ON ORDER BY BRITISH ARMY, R.N., R.A.F. GENERAL-PURPOSE LIGHT WEIGHT FIVE SEAT HELICOPTER FOR COMMUNICATIONS, OPERATION, ANTI-TANK ROLE AND TRAINING. TAKE-OFF WEIGHT 3750LB. SINGLE TURBOMECA ASTAZOU 111B ENGINE 600 SHP MAX. CRUISE SPEED 140 KNOTS. TYPICAL OPERATING RANGE 300 NAUTICAL MILES.OVER 300 AIRCRAFT ON ORDER,INCLUDING 142 FOR U.K.FORCES. LICENCE PRODUCTION AGREEMENT FOR 122 AIRCRAFT SIGNED WITH YUGOSLAVIA. 30 PLUS CIVIL GAZELLES SOLD IN U.S.AND ELSEWHERE. FIRST U.K. ORDER FOR CIVIL GAZELLE SHOULD BE ANNOUNCED AT SHOW.

However, “Hawkswing AT missile” is only given by name as part of the briefing notes for the Lynx display

Also, if anyone’s having another trip to the Kew one of these days:

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what those missiles marked as CTM are?

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Collective Training Missile

Close-up image

https://www.britmodeller.com/walkarounds/helos/ah-1%20apache/AH%20detail%2037.jpg

Collective training missile replicated a hellfire missile that is mounted on the apache helicopter wah-64; missile provides engagement and player status cues to aircrew and others, of simulated firing events, aircraft status by a flashwess indicator and night vision aircraft kill indicator; 56.750 in. Lg., 7.000 in. Dia.

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ok

Another photo of a Whirlwind HAR.9 with what looks to be the launching rails

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From here:

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Photo above it in the book also showed the port side launcher fitted
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Still struggling to find more images of the Mk.10’s 4x AS.11 installation, but I’m pretty sure I’ve found a few images that show the three-point mount modification to Mk.10s that allowed the weapon platform to be suspended from the side of the fuselage. These three brackets aren’t present on typical HAR.10s/HC.10s but are on some aircraft operating in South East Asia in the early 1960s, and seem to match with how we saw AS.11s fitted in the one photo we do have.

I marked the brackets a,b,c in the photos for visibility



Links to original images

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1493/80-2014_09_17_66_2__0708905bcb9ad0e7135902530c09ba0f10b977a0.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1340x2000/80-2014_09_17_117_6e75c04ceb643ef510b58fe78debf043819bea2a.jpg
https://www.ashpole.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Kuching2.jpg

The rectangular fairings for the electrical connections to the missile launchers (between the fuel filler cap and the vent cowl on the first two photos, and the big olive green square in the third photo) are also not present on most Mk.10s.

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Considering how few were actually modified, it’s going to be hard to find images. Based off of the evidence in this thread, there’s more than enough to make a suggestion about both the HAR.9 and 10. That being said, more evidence is always welcome.


super lynx with Penguin anty ship missile

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Lynx 3 with 4x mistral launcher

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Do you know which variant of the SuperLynx this is?

I don’t unfortunatly

No worries

It’s ZD267 at Farnborough 1986. Along with ZD249 they were serving as development airframes for the proposed Lynx HAS.8 - known as Super Lynx commercially. In 1986, ZD267 was basically a HAS.3 with a MEL Super Searcher radar from Sea King HAS.5 and internal modifications but it evolved over the trials program.

Between 1986 and 1990, Ferranti Seaspray Mk.3 was selected as the radar instead of Super Searcher, the Sea Owl electro-optics turret was installed above the nose and ZD267 received all the features of HAS.8 apart from the strengthened airframe and modernised rotors.
Once development was finished it was brought to full production standard as a Lynx HMA.8 in May 1991.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444131672049451009/1184060997774880789/IMG_20231212_100858.jpg?ex=658a99bc&is=657824bc&hm=767c2f93318507c4c9686d41eeb037d9b65eb54d73166ffc1d934841be418f99&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444131672049451009/1184060998219468870/IMG_20231212_100851.jpg?ex=658a99bc&is=657824bc&hm=4172a3a26dfbbae35bddbb14a162f65d644a13e3d1ff3815a1190d10a5205edf&

would be nice to see some of those IRCMs in game alongside maybe a naval variant of the lynx

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Does anyone have access to the performance of the Lynx HAS.3? I’ve been struggling to find it on the internet and in my books.

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Oh btw I was wrong here, those are 4x mistral launchers

How better is it compared to the stinger?

in game it pull 4 more g

I’m talking about in reality.