I still love the idea of zipping around a top tier match in a land rover
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Hey that’s my image from looooooong ago xD
But yeah more Marksman’s would be nice. The Vickers one I like the most because of it’s much better manoeuvrability compared to the other British options.
Not counting the G6 because that wasn’t made as a working prototype.
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As much as i agree what we really need is some sort of IR SAM equivalent. We have a gaping whole between 8.3 and 10.3 where we have no AA. Which leaves us struggling with Guns only AA against standoff platforms, unless you have the points and a viable fighter in the lineup (I do, but I appreciate not everyone would)
Hell! That seems a bit “top-heavy” doesn´t it? XD
It’s mounted on a tripod/pedestal
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I’ve seen a lot of talk of the gap between the ZA-35 and Stormer HVM, and while that needs to be addressed, addressing the gap between the Skink and Falcon is also a must, though a difficult one.
The Fox AA and Ferret 80 are both armed with a high velocity 20mm cannon in an enclosed, albeit lightly armored, superstructure, which is more than can be said for the Ystervark. Providing the vehicle with a 20mm APDS round would potentially allow it to perform at a higher BR as a hybrid recce/AA vehicle.
An honorable mention goes to the Argus reconnaissance vehicle. While it has extremely good elevation, the ADEN it uses has a reduced fire rate as well as being an ADEN, which means the velocity isn’t the greatest compared to the first two vehicles I listed. Still, it is noteworthy for having decent anti-aircraft capability.
Shoutouts to Nathan for the suggestion posts for these.
Now, if we are willing to examine exports and/or Commonwealth, we may be able to turn up a few more options.
This is an Alvis Stormer operated by Malaysia using the same turret as is found on the aforementioned Ferret 80, also using a 20mm cannon. This would arguably be worse, but is an easier addition considering the hull is already modeled in game and would need only slight adjustments to replicate this vehicle.
Moving to the gap between the ZA-35 and Stormer HVM, Singapore’s M113A2 “Ultra Mechanised Igla” provides an interesting MANPADS system which could reasonably sit around 9.3. As the name implies, it is an M113 carrying six Igla missiles. There is also a version without the search/track radar to keep it in line with other similar systems if necessary.
This last one is a real stretch but I felt it was worth mentioning as it seems roughly similar, capability wise, to the Chinese PGZ09. South Korea launched a failed bid to export their K30 Biho SHORAD vehicle to India, which the latter evaluated and earmarked for purchase before suddenly changing their minds. However, due to its iffy nature of acquisition, as well as dealing a major blow to the unique flavor of a potential Korean tree, this is an absolute last resort in my opinion, as cool as I find it.
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Regarding the stormer with a helio turret the british pilot demonstrater is likely a better addition soley for the fact it has more smoke launchers ;)
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some photos of it
as you can see in the line up there are additional smoke dischargers on the hull
plus all the documentation you need for the turret
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One of the AA gaps is also being discussed in another thread
We are trying to drum up support for the Stormer AA as it would be an easy addition for Gaijin. Please go support this thread!
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Whole thing gets a +1 from me. Would love to see any new SPAA for the UK. Espcially the Chieftain Sabre and Warrior VERDI-2.
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The Shorland Starburst would be a great add prior to Stormer HVM.
The progression of UK SHORAD from Blowpipe > Javelin > Starburst > Starstreak is right there, and so is Land Rover.
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Probably not worth Blowpipe. But Javelin and Starburst, absolutely
Personally I want to see more MCLOS (eg. Malkara, Vickers Vigilant) in the early Cold War bracket, but it could prove “adequate” for defence against early helicopters with poor manoeuvrability.
Otherwise I guess I’ll keep using Swingfire on Mi-4s.
Yeah, it could, though the lack of prox fuse would make it very hard to use vs jets.
Yes given its poor combat performance (1 confirmed kill from 95 firings by the Brits in 1982) I think you’d have to be very lucky to take a jet with it.
Hovering or slow-moving helicopters are in my view the most promising targets, and in its defence the max speed is around 500m/s so much better than using <200m/s Swingfires.
https://shorlandsite.com/shorland-series-5-apc/
Blowpipe was also fitted to the S53, before being replaced by Javelin/Starburst.
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quick, don’t say about Tigercat
If we’re talking low and mid-tiers, things like this come to mind.
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Vickers Mk. VI AA (twin 15mm)
Honestly, it’s probably going to be a really bad SPAA and more likely used as a mobile TD. So I’d probably say anywhere around 1.3 or 1.7 depending on performance, and if it’s open-topped or not. -
Crusader AA Mk. II (triple Oerlikon):
Considering Gaijin hates enclosed SPAA, this could go down to 2.7 where the AEC AA use to be. Less passive aggressive response maybe 3.0. -
Centaur AA:
You can probably add it to 4.3, slightly better armoured hull than Crusader AA Mk. II, likely more ammunition, and can neutral steer. -
Project 41:
This can be our new 4.7 filling in the gap the Skink left. Pretty much the same firepower, except basically zero armour, and double the magazine capacity thanks to the 60 round drums. -
Skink (Hispano)
Welded turret so slightly more protection, and 4x Hispano guns. Going off in-game performance that should mean a far higher rate of fire compared to the Polsten. From memory this used 60 round magazines as well. Likely go around 5.7 - 6.0.
I’m at a loss for what can go between 6.3 to 8.0. Personally I’d just remove the HVAP from the Falcon and drop that back to 8.0, but then you still have a gap between 6.3 to 7.7.
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It would be nice to get rid of the Chieftain marksman in favour of the Challenger marksman (even if foldered). It’s not huge but the chieftain hull is basically useless whereas the Challenger hull would provide better everything similar to the ITPSV 90
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