Why is the F2 ADTW 13.0 in Air RB when much better Jets like both premium SU 30 are only 13.3.
The F2 ADTW has worse performance with its weapons by only having AIM 7M Sparrows that dont work 75% of the time and the AAM 3 witch is a good missile but you only get 4 of them also not having an HMD is the biggest handycap on this Plane. I think it really needs to be placed in a lower BR in Air RB.
Also its not useable in Ground RB because the only Smart Weapons you get that can kill Tanks are GPS Bombs that get either shot down by AA or the Tank you dropped them at has moved.
@Smin1080p_WT is there any plans to change stuff on the F2 ADTW ? because its getting to a point where this Jet is close to unuseable at its BR placement.
13.0 and 13.3 is currently impossible to balance due to compression. While I do think it should be at a lower BR than the Flankers, it can’t go any lower than it is right now. The solution is everything to move up and increase max BR.
I think it would just be nice to get something done with this even if its just giving it the laser guided jdam versions for Ground RB and having the AIM 7M be more useable i always have the problem that i lock a target, train the missile on said target and the Sparrow just yeets of somewhere else.
Yeah that is the biggest issue, the Sparrows are beyond unreliable. I don’t know if IRL they were as bad as they currently are compared to every other Fox 1, or if there is room for improvement.
aim7 just want to kill a different target…, sometimes its usefulk sometimes its shit…
you just should use the fm and the fox2
used them a few days ago for the task(aim7f on f4ejkai) and they were acceptable even in uptiers(13.3)…
Its just that for Weapons on the ADTW you can use all Weapons on the normal F2. Because the F2s of the Air Development and Test Wing are the testing Platforms for all Weapons in Service on the normal F2 so the ADTW is capable of using the laser JDAM and stuff like the AAM 4 Fox 3. So its not a problem of availability for this Jet. And also i dont think the AIM 7 Sparrow had these problems IRL otherwise the US wouldnt have had them in service for so long and also tested a Fox 3 Version of the AIM 7.
I could see it going down if it lost AAM-3s, but it’ll be very OP with them at 12.7. It’s not even the worst 13.0, because the Mig-29G, F-14B, and Sea Harrier are all way worse.
We just need decompression, and more not OP premiums.
Nah look at my KDA, it’s not skill issue, I have used every missile in the game save for the chinese ones so I know what I am talking about. Most of the times Sparrows just decide to track nothing and go straight up or down, even in the cleanest shots against a high alt target. They are usable but extremely unreliable at that BR.
The thing is that Gaijin is nerfing the loadout so that it can remain at a lower BR, which is fine. There’s already an F2A with AAM4 at 13.7, and the F2A ADTW has the same exact airframe and radar, which means there’s no need to have 2 identical aircraft at the same BR. Fox 1 wise, 7Ms is the best it is going to get.
I don’t know or care much about ground ordinance so I have no opinion about that.
Why should F-2A be a lower BR than aircraft that are on-par with it at best and worse than the F-2A at worst?
F-2A, Su-27/33, and F-15A/Baz/J are far more alike than different.
Yes, 13.0 is compressed, and F-2A is part of the compression problem just as much as Su-27 and F-15A.
The loadout is OP for 13.0 when 14 other jets exist at 14.0 without its flight performance and/or weapons.
This is a stretch. The technological advantage of having HMS + ARH below 10km is certainly valuable, but it’s not the end of the world.
Don’t get me wrong, the F-2 could be 13.3 and the Su-30 13.7 anyway, but while the F-2 only carries the AIM-7M and its HMS-less, both premium Su-30s carry not only a superior SARH (R-27ER), yet also carries an ARH that will force you to notch no matter if the plane has to keep its lock, plus a decent HMS.
Decompression needs to happen across the board, sure. They’re not exact equivalents by any sense of the imagination, but they’re not that far either.
The only advantage the F2A has are radar (more useful in SB than RB) and turning. The difference in loadout between the F2A and the flankers is abysmal in both quantity and quality.
Everything is compressed yeah, but aircraft like the F2A or F15A are much more downtier friendly than the all-mighty flankers since save for the IRCCM Fox 2, the Sparrow is the missile people have been facing since 11.0, whereas 27ER is the best missile in the game period.
Flankers have 6 SARHs, and 4 IR missiles in their peak loadout with the worst radar of the bunch, with only Su-33 having an on-par RWR.
F-15A has 4 SARHs and 4 IR having a better radar, flight performance, and RWR.
F-2A has 4 SARHs and 4 RI having the best radar, better subsonic flight performance, and meta RWR.
Flankers are not superior to F-2A and F-15A.
R-27ER is not the best missile in-game. I can think of 5 that are better, which includes the R-77-1, and AAM-4 that are hilariously better.
Sukhoi can advertise their aircraft without your help.