Alright… let’s talk about 9.3.
15.0 gets added, EVERYTHING 10.3 onward is moved to 10.7 onward.
Examples, not limited to:
F-4C can move up to 10.3.
Mig-21S & SPS-K can move to 10.0.
F-100D & Mig-19 can move up to 9.7
F3H can move to 9.3.
Lim-5P & Alpha Jet [Thai primarily] can move to 9.0.
Mig-15 Bis & F-86F-25 can move to 8.7.
Mig-15 & F-86A-5 can move to 8.3.
7.0 - 10.0 impacted by a simple 0.3 change in BR.
And 9.3 flareless subsonic gunfighters will still see 10.0/10.3 supersonic missile fighters with AIM-9L/R60M/Magic 1…
I see them eat missiles every day in my Mirage. I don’t even bother kill them because they die incredibly fast.
Haven’t ever touched 9.3 but pretty certain a full uptier isn’t playable at all.
Really what you described only solves a fraction of the problems at these tiers
The lowest BR 9L on a supersonic platform is F-5 at 11.0 [11.3 in my decompression post].
Magic 1 carriers defeated by forcing a dogfight or bait.
9.3s wouldn’t even see Su-25s because of this quote:
Cause there are no all-aspects at 10.0 currently, and 10.7 is away from 9.3.
Note how the primary examples I gave for 9.3 moving to 9.7 are two of the best supersonic dogfighters of 9.3. One with missiles, and one with hilarious flight performance.
Was thinking of the premium A-10 but since it’s slow as hell I guess it can be tolerated (still short range deleter though, but more of an annoyance I guess)
In my entire time of playing the Mirage IIIC the amount of 9.3s who were able to defend from me can be counted on one hand
F-100D would be 9.7, and that thing should NOT see my Mirage. Also some MiG-21s are at 10.3 with R-60M yk
Sure they shouldn’t see what they see in downtiers at all. But they also shouldn’t see what they see in uptiers.
That is sad… especially if you somehow won against a Mig-19.
But you can add Mirage IIIC as an example alongside F-4C.
I eat them alive usually, only died to them a few times. I felt that the airframes had potential when fighting them, but somehow the players never got them to their full potential and they ended up eating my rounds or magics. Gotta acknowledge though that the Mirage 3C is really powerful
For sure, as long as it stays the same relatively to higher BRs I fully support that. I literally started not using missiles against 9.0s and 9.3s at all because it made me feel bad…
Been playing a bit of the F-15J again, since it got moved down, and honestly? I don’t think it’s a problem at it’s lower BR. Not with how completely ruined the meta is at 13.3/13.7.
The strengths of the F-15 basically don’t matter because it’s weak in the one area that’s directly relevant to winning games at these tiers, BVR (And, jointly, ARH missile performance). In a headon joust, the F-15 is at a crippling disadvantage against most of the planes it will end up facing.
You can’t play at higher altitude, which is where it is designed to fight, since you’ll be victimized by hordes of ARHs and R27ERs. You are forced to go defensive over and over, as higher performance missiles get slung back at you, while the F-15’s RADAR will drop lock the second the enemy even thinks about trying to notch. It’s not great at ground hugging either, thanks to it’s sluggish role rate.
But, if you do manage to survive the initial missile barrage, and make it to a position where you can actually exploit your strong flight performance and IR missiles, the game is already over. It’s not an exaggeration to say that, in every game I played in it yesterday, the outcome of the game was decided in that initial BVR engagement. Either you’re left with no enemies to fight (or maybe pick off one or two in a desperate race with the rest of your team), or you’re practically alone, and swarmed by so many planes that your advantages basically don’t exist.
In a vacuum, a powerful airframe with powerful IR missiles at such a low tier is a problem. But due to the current, awful meta around 13.0, you don’t really get a chance to feel it. Objectively, it needs to go up again, but there are much bigger fish to fry than the F-15s.
Fixed for you, dear Alvis.
Being a mediocre 13.0 is a good enough reason to go down in BR. Fix its radar first before decompressing back.
Otherwise, let people enjoy things for once, you all people are reacting like the F-15A has always been a meta plane to begin with (Spoiler: It has been meta once for a couple months in two whole years since its release).