I was writing a post about it, and I’m still going to finish it. Although I’m still waiting for @magazine2 response to my appeal for a final decision.
In summary: We will have the death of the BR 11.3 and one of the good aircraft was helping to stagger the Mig23, the AV-8B (NA) is going up from 11.3 to 11.7. Insane change!
I see this new change of BR as killing the dispute of the various princes (which was balanced) and appointing a new King (the Mig-23ML/A).
They are all right here. You were basically never away from your airfield anytime I encountered you.
Even in the first longer fight I was able to get guns on you. I didn’t hold down the trigger because I thought you were dead after both of your flaps popped off and you had straightened out in front of me like you were going to run to Airfield AA.
In the second one…you break off even though I am basically directly in front of you. And you keep dumping your flares so you obviously suspect that I am still alive…or you are just hedging bets so you can get to Airfield AA to turn around.
Third one…you shoot at me in head-on deflection and then run back to base…and then come back to third party while I am tangled with J7E.
Fourth…I kill you in one turn.
Fifth…Head on missile and it doesn’t track flares.
Sixth…third party missile from me.
Every time you died you were basically within spitting distance of your airfield. You lost track of a target that was directly in front of you. I am out-turning you in an F4E…a plane that is not exactly a great dogfighter…and my plane is 2 steps below yours.
Like you want to brag about your K/D in it…but as far as I can tell it’s not really a testament to your skill and more of a testament to how well you pick your lobbies and the days that you play.
If you do this the entire time in the 23MLD you will run out of flares. Not a big deal if your whole game is spent next to the airfield though.
Anyone that watches the video can see that you shot at me during pretty much every merge. The only case where I snuck up on you is the very last kill when you were fighting the JA37.
Yes. I agree. I should have pre-flared sooner.
I have played a lot of 11.3 - 12.3 this month and I have never seen you in a game.
We did not have huge numerical superiority. We also had ground attackers just like your side did.
So is it OP at 11.3 BR? Probably. Is it the most broken thing in the game? I don’t think so considering how dominant blue side is at pretty much every jet bracket besides this one.
Fair enough. Not gonna shame you for having a broken computer.
Why did we get numerical superiority? Why do we have more fighters?
The whole premise of this thread is that there will be no blue side players at 11.3 down tier days because of how OP the MiG-23 series is.
It’s OP for it’s current BR. It was fine at it’s last BR except for the fact that it fights IRCCM missiles from Mirage F-1C and Aim-9M from A-10C at that BR. And that it fights F-14A and F-16A when it is at bottom BR.
It’s also not the only OP plane due to battle ratings changes. USA gets F8U-2 at 10.0 today which is just ridiculous. F4E will also have a day where it gets to be a seal clubber. Ja-37 gets to seal club today as well.
Mirage F1 is from them probably most dangerous thanks to Magic 2. But it can be solved. Give MLD R-73, R-24MR missiles, adding BS modes for the radar and the ability to carry additional chaffs for the UB-16/32 and B-8M, and it could go to 12.3. And we will have nice support for Su-25SM-3. And for BR 11.7 we can have MiG-23P which will be more suitable (also with BS modes and additional chaffs).
In average players hands the Mirage F1 will not be better due to Magic 2.
But also Aim-9M slinging A-10C is also a threat if it gets anywhere within 4km.
AIM-9M is always threat even on slow aircraft. It have pretty insane IRCCM.
Is no one chocked by the BR changes for Sim especially for F4E models and Chineese planes, or only me???!
-What a stupid idea in the head of Gaijin employs for lower to 10.7 the F4E/J/Kurnass same BR as the F4C or F5C etc…While F5E with 2 same IR than F4E and only weaker Ground payload are 11.3! More why Up to 11.3 my J7D (thx up to 11.3 j7E in Rb!!!) and the worst for the end is the J8B at 11.7!
WTF is happening? He have the same crap radar the F4E more bugged because loose lock so easily and no ACM, and he have a 23mm crap soviet vs gatling, and half his paylaod for Air with near nothing for the ground, with same kind of speed/mobility/weight and size. How explain how this is so stupid AGAIN without be Erased by dev for say what i think avout Gaijin employs but…grrr you feel it? And Mig 23 lower again and let Mirage F1 is equal plane at 11.7/12.0.
So tired, last day i look my account profile and calculate approximatively the amount i spend, more than 6.000 Euro in my 11 years with all premium time, golden and pack. And many many players are like me, so we have easily earn the right for be listen, bordel de merde!
one of the best IRCCM it is invisibility, IDK why our ARB friends still have the marker on 9M, we should share this joy of an invisble IR missile with them
I always play this when I play US and it’s more than enough to kick mig23. Remember that mig23 cannot turn PD mode on at will, and once you get in a close fight, there is simply no match, the f5 will mop the floor with them
It has no PD radar, but misisles themselves ARE pd. That means that if you get a lock, fire them, and only then the opponents uses chaff, the missile is going to connect anyway as long as your radar remains pointed in the general direction of the target. I hate flying the phantom and I never use it, but still, it has PD missiles.
It cannot dogfight but has a real PD radar with IFF and very good missiles. Aim9g are the best rear aspect missiles in game thatnks to their super long range. Skyflash are also good missiles when pèaired with a PD radar. Again, I dont like phantoms so I rarely fly it, but it has a very good kit for its br.
this is not a fighter, and shouldnt be strong enough to compete with them
that’s another VERY good plane. Incredibly dangerous in a dogfight especially now that magic 1 actually pull 35 g off the rail and after it finally got its engine. I remember at launch it sucked, magic1 didnt work and the plane had a shitty engine that wouldnt help it regain speed. Now that has had these 2 problems fixed I would say it is at the same level of a mig23
This is the most powerful plane at 11.3 period. This is what I use when i want to seal club at 11.3. TWS, HUD and PD radar+skyflash. Good flight model, very fast plane. The best plane at 11.3, it has no real downside and it’s one of my favorite planes in the game.
Mig23 is very good but it’s not as strong or OP as you think it is. It has 2 major downsides. First and greatest of all is the fact that you cannot toggle MTI at will anymore, thus limiting the use of R24R. The second is the cockpit that has a huge steel thing right on top that severely limits your visuals exactly when you need it. This said, it is still a great plane that I also used a lot. I place it on the same level as Mirage IIIE and F5E but below the Viggen.
Mig23ML and MLA have the very bad problem of a shittier rwr that doesnt always ring depending on who’s targeting you, so sometimes you cna snipe them with radar missiles because they get no warning. I dont know exactly what planes trigger their rwr and what dont, but their rwr cannot pick every signal.
In conclusion, I would say that 11.3 is absolutely fine as it is. Blufor has all what it takes to win and in fact it regularly does. Saying that Mig23 is OP considering what other planes you can find at 11.3 is simply incorrect, especially when you think about the Viggen and F5. It’s probably one of my favorite BR in game and one where I enjoy playing both sides and I dont have a favorite!
It is a fighter. the FRS1 is specifically the fleet air defence variant on the Harrier 1.
With the recent buffs, it can now stand a bit of a chance, but is still underperforming significantly.
Remember, IRL the Sea Harrier FRS1 readily beat the F-5E in 1v1 combat at a ratio of 7:1 and beat the F-15A in 2v2 combat at a ratio of 3:1. Even has “kills” against the F-16
I dont know about that, I’m not a history buff, but in game harriers fly well enough but are not really able to truly dogfight and this goes for all variants except maybe for the B variant that is sensibly better (but still inferior to its peers) but i would say that 4 aim9l are not bad for something that at least in game is considered mostly a ground attack plane. I dont know what kind of performance harriers are supposed to have irl but this would be a different topic entirely, that could be interesting by the way
In short. Sea Harrier FRS1 could be comfortably at 11.7 with their full performance but are barely 11.0 worthy despite being at 11.3.
Big buff of EEGS is coming Soon™.
PL-5B are the best rear aspect IR missiles in the game. Easily.
I like PL-7 (aka magic1) more. I have the premium mig21 chinese and I tried both but I would say that pl7 are better because they start tracking and turning even when the target is VERY close and you can use them instead of cannons, because at super close range they ignore flares, and pl5 and pl7 have about the same range, so in general i would say pl7 are better.
I saw many people praising pl5 but to me they dont feel so special, they’re very good obviously but not as good as magic 1.
I’m not afraid, I’m going to make my money either way. Most mig 23 pilots eat glue anyways, they suck. With all that said blue team will be sweating when a good MLD pilot shows up. Just welcome challenges. Put up a good fight. I feel that it’s balanced.
I totally agree with your reasoned response.