as much as I don’t like imbalance, this would mean redfor now 1 (one) BR above rank 6 where they’re pretty good lmao
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also this is funny how much you are underselling how much better the FG.1’s radar is (hint: the russians dont even have PD tech unlocked yet lmao)
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Would be nice if underdog side in terms of population queuing got a RP/SL bonus when queuing. Thats asking way too much though.
Would also be cool to get more RP/SL for queing in brackets you aren’t top BR.
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Ok so?
I have had no problem taking on MiG-23ML and MLD with F4E since the flight model was changed. And the F4Es are also moving down a BR step.
Let me ask you this…
What BR brackets does red side have that are actually good in the past year? What BR brackets are they going to have now that will be good?
Top tier has been blue dominated for over a year.
The tier below that is ruled by Aim-9M slingers like
Gripen and F-15A.
The tier below that is ruled by F-16A and F-14 IRAF.
Then you have the oddball tier where all the PD Phantoms are…and they are all thoroughly mid because people returned to using multi-pathing.
And then you finally get to 11.7…which is dominated by Mirage F-1C.
11.3 is A-10C + Aim-9M slinging since patch dropped.
Like I am not saying that it’s a good thing that they are going down…but look at all the blue side stuff that is also going down as well.
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You can barely guide a Skyflash with PDV. 50% of the time the missile will miss, even if no chaff or evasive action was taken. 99% I just use SRC which is the exact same as the Mig-23MLD. Considering MTI works perfectly fine when used right as well, and the R-24Rs are better and the Mig-23MLD has IRST. They are hardly that weak.
Uh no sir? Not how missiles work in WT. Chaff requires notch or cold aspect to work. It does not work in any frontal hemisphere.
You mean blufor will just have to play the literal half dozen other BR brackets where they are the undisputed meta and this exact injustice you’re complaining about is flipped on its head and is the opposite scenario?
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Zero issues using PDV and Skyflashes on my part. Weight in seat error
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What in god’s name do you think IRST has to do with R-24Rs
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Except there isnt much bluefor going down…tornado IDS is a higher BR than the mig23MLD now…
Sea Harrier is the same BR. Heck AV-8B(NA) is a higher BR with no radar at all.
A-10C is 11.7, so won’t even see mig23MLDs every bracket
There just didn’t need to move down. They should have stayed at 11.7.
And for the record, Su-27 was perfectly competitive. Mig 29 was perfectly compeitiev and R27ER was OP.
Only the Su27SM is struggling with it’s 12x AAMs and mostly due to a buggy radar and not really anything else…I’m sure theyll.get a meta aircraft in this next update that no one will be able to fight
R-73+HMD was and still is far superior to the Aim-9M+HMD.
R-27ERs are vastly superior to Skyflash DFs or Aim-7M
Su-27 could and still can carry 10x AAMs Vs the average of 6 for most other nations.
After the BOL nerfs, Su-27 was perfectly competitive top tier jet, just took skill
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Not correct. Better players than you also almost unanimously agree redfor has been bad for ages
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And you are wrong. Just because the soviets couldn’t win every battle with their eyes closed anymore like this did with the Mig-23MLD Vs F4s for years. Doesn’t mean they weren’t perfectly playable. And able to fight back. Just the average skill level of soviet players is far lower than most
Unfortunately only one side is factually correct here and it ain’t the guy peddling falsehoods about previous metas saying redfor has always been competitive in sim like what lmao
9M has always been better in sim, no arguing this. Sim does not have constant nail biting stallfights where the R-73 pulls ahead. The 9M is objectively better. You’d have a case in RB/AB.
R-27ER being better matters a whole lot when the meta is IR missiles and 9Ms! Let’s not forget the trash ass russian radars trying to hold you back constantly!
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And you are just a soviet main that thinks Aim-9M is a god tier missile. It’s worse than Aim-9L half the time due to the lock range issues. Only really good If the target doesn’t see you coming or you are directly behind the target. In any other aspect. You are better off with R-73 or Magic II. I actually spent a chunk of that IR meta time with 2x 9Ls so that I had IR missiles with a range greater than 2km.
.just pop some flares next time
Ok so? It’s a fast plane used by bomb point farmers.
Av-8B NA is one of the best farming places in the game. 10x JDAM on a good platform has changed the farming meta to bombing airfield air defenses.
The A-10C should have never been placed at 11.3BR in the first place. And it will still be overpowered at 11.7BR in 3/4 of the brackets that it fights in.
They moved because planes like A-10C were under tiered and could slam them with Aim-9M. Or they get farmed by Mirage F-1C after the flight model changes.
The Su-27 was not competitive against Gripen and the R-27ER was never OP when 100m multi-pathing negated it. And now that we have 60m multi-pathing…blue side also has better BVR missiles in the form of AMRAAM and Fakour 90.
Red side top tier has not had a decisive advantage since the MiG-23MLD was top tier. Heck…China finally got a flight model that is on par with blue teams…and blue teams are starting to quit left and right at top tier because they don’t know how to fight.
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Well… Now the Mig23MLD will just dominate 11.3 again and then hopefully will move back up next BR change. Or a load of things can move down.
At least I can enjoy slaughtering them in the tornado F3 once a week. So long as they don’t nerf it through the floor again
Literally nobody thinks this, not even you if you aren’t actively fooling yourself. My name is literally Italy Suffers, what nation do you think I have played the most? Then understand I OWN ALMOST EVERY NATION. This shit just makes you look bad.
In sim? It is. Smokeless alone makes a massive difference but the IRCCM is also much harder to fool than the R-73s in most cases.
Not getting these strange issues you keep bringing up.
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it doesn’t belong higher than mig-23MLD
This doesn’t matter. Balance shouldn’t be based around bombing.
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Aim-9M in game, lock range Vs AB target is about 3km in a headon. Good luck even getting a front aspect lock if the target is not on reheat.
aim-9M IRL, lock Vs AB target in front aspect is about 14km.
Aim-9M should have between 3 to 5x the lock range depending on the aspect
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/PX7CKrwWNGdr
In all other respects, it’s an Aim-9L with a different seeker. It’s different to flare to an R-73, but if you know what you are doing it’s easier.
Smokeless only helps in certain situations, but if you didn’t know the target was there, then an Aim-9L will have killed you
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Except smokeless and the IRCCM isnt actually easier than the R73s but sure.
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