BR Changes - 11.3 is going to be Redfor only

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Skyflash requires the target to notch through. R-24Rs don’t cause it’s just a standard pulse radar as host.

Also it just requires enough altitude for the MLD’s radar to look up at any angle.
In air RB R-60Ms are on-par with 9J/9G. In sim they’re even more on-par cause rear-aspect missiles are stronger in sim than air RB, while front-aspect shots keep the same strength.

I’ve been playing that bracket of sim again for ~2 months [and longer in general] on and off and MLDs are among the weakest aircraft due to their trash radar + trash RWR. Note that’s a +, not or.

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I personally think the changes are fine.

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All the mig23 has to do is keep the lock and the r24r will hit, as long as the target plane is the largest radar signature

Lol try two years. The R-60M is cracked on head-ons and pulls hard, you have IRST for stealth shots, and the radar is as good or better than the one on the mirage f1 with a very good HUD to boot

The only reason why the mig23 is going down is because noobs buy the ml and bring it to sim thinking that they’ll get better rewards, only to get clapped in the dumbest ways

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I’ve been playing sim for 5 years. What’s your point?

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Its the idea that something like the Sea Harrier FRS1 is being considered on-par with the Mig-23MLD just confuses me. In what world are these 2 aircraft equal.

Or the fact the Tornado Gr1 now has a HIGHER BR than the Mig-23MLD. Its just insane. Bsaiclaly every 11.3 or 11.7 Bluefor aircraft is just rendered basically unplayable imo with the sole exception maybe being the Phantom FGR2, but all that takes is the Mig-23MLD to have half a brain cell and hug the ground to defeat.

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That you’re wrong and you don’t have enough experience in the br bracket to formulate opinions that ring true

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Gaijin gives too much weight to a plane’s ground strike capability when calculating br. It’s really messy

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So years of experience isn’t enough?

Your post is claiming you don’t have enough experience either…
If over 3 years [whenever 11.3 vehicles were added] isn’t enough, then your 2 years isn’t enough to your own standards.

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Yeah… Though its only theoretical base kills, not actual base kills most of the time.

I thought the days of having to try and sneak past a wall of superior soviet fighters that outnumbered bluefor 3-1 in the Tornado Gr1 were over and I could finally enjoy it. But that only lasted a few months it seems.

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Experience doesn’t translate between br brackets. You could have 10 years of experience in any other brr, but it will amount to very little in 11.3, which is why all of the points you made make very little sense

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You forgot the F-5E, which has very good missiles for the br and is often in redfor.

The only possible-ish counter is the Mirage F1 (11.7), and not a lot of people play it, much less properly

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Unless im mistaken, its 11.7. So yes, will just make the 11.7 brackets even more unplayable, but wont impact the 11.3 bracket too much.

Same for the Mirage F1. Yeah, when France is allied with US/Britain/Israel. The Mirage F1s will probably be the strongest Bluefor aircraft in game and will basically carry bluefor teams… But… 50% of the time they are matched WITH the soviets which just makes things even worse for the Bluefor team as they now have to face the Mig-23MLD AND Mirage F1s with only really 11.0 and 11.3 aircraft (as most of the bluefor 11.7 stuff is ground attackers like the A-10C, F-111 and Gr1)

Britain and US have a real gap in fighters between 11.0 and 12.0 where things like the F-4S and Tornado F3 shine (im surprised neither of them have been nerfed though)

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Honestly, I’ll just leave this br bracket for redfor since they get absolutely stomped in higher brs; it’s their last fighting chance

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Yeah… But just how Bluefor cant get any lobbies at top tier because redfor all quit. The same will just be true for 11.3 and 11.7 now but for Redfor.

Top tier is limited by available additions and cant really be fixed until soviets and china get better top tier aircraft (Which Im fairly certain the J-10 is already mitigating but im not playing that bracket at all at the moment)

But at least with the 11.3 bracket, aircraft could just get buffs or sane BRs to make things more balanced. If I play Sim at all (which im not because of a number of year old bug reports ive gotten completely fed up waiting for)

Its 10.7 or below in things like the Sea Harrier FRS1e or 12.0 in the Tornado F3.

But its just things like the fact they are refusing to lower the AMX A-1A or Sea Harrier FRS1 down to 11.0 but apparently the Mig-23MLD is an extremely weak aircraft at the moment and needed a major buff.

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If only Gaijin balanced planes based on their stats and not on whether players know how to use them or not…

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Yeah. Like people complaining about the Mig-23 FM nerfs. Im fairly confident its still one of the strongest fighters at its BR. But the key thing is you now have to use manual wing sweep instead of auto. Which takes more skill. But because most players leave it in auto. They struggle

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I have the wing sweep bound to my side mouse buttons and engage manual whenever I merge 🤣 In RB, I keep the wings swept back in the late stages of the match to force R60M headons while zooming around the map

Edit: tbqh i didn’t feel the fm nerf at all. It still slaps and the engine is still a rocket than can rip ur wings off

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Yep, I need to get better at managing wing sweep now in the Tornado F3. Usually I left swept back 99% of the time as I was just zooming around the map, but now we have a little dogfight potential… Might be worth mastering (in sim, I have dual throttle HOTAS for it)

Fighting them, I share that experience. Though they dont seem quite as confident in the BVR joust, and thats all the nerf Ive seen out of them

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If only the wings adjusted a bit automatically even when in manual mode (like the tomcat does), the tornado would be even better. I feel like the wings are too flimsy and sensitive to speed, so I keep em automatic unless under 1000 kph

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I use kts, but 500+ no less than 60% sweep, above 600kts be more like 80%+.

I think I prefer the totally manual control, though actually the auto does quite a good job these days. It was horrible a year ago, but theyve tweaked it to a good place I think

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