13.0, 13.3 for sim. Yes
- Saying 13.0 means you are talking about RB. The topic is not about RB, mate.
- 13.3, 13.7, 14.0. What’s the difference? In SIM Flankers play vs 14.0 always. Do you know how matchmaker works for SIM?
Yes. Not very different from AirRB which is like 85% of the time. Anyway my point is that the flankers radar is not useless as some people make it seem.
The way you feel isn’t supposed to be realy state of things.
I posted the scren of my stats. You decide if I make is seem.
But again I see the forum is one of the most useless things for this game. You guys keep making statements based on a couple of matches in sim and relying on your feelings and first impressions. If sim feels the same way as RB 85% of times I see no reason to prove you anything.
No. 13.0 is already a mess and adding the Su-27s to it would be insane. Already hard enough to compete against the Under BRed stuff as it is in that BR without adding the R-27ER monster to it.
F4F-ICE needs to return to 13.3.
F-15A/J/BAZ and maybe the Gripen A potentially need to move to 13.3
Then they need to add a 12.3-13.3 bracket. Su-27 is not alone in not having a bracket for it. ALL 13.3s are suffering due to the same issue.
If the Su-27 moves down, then Tornado F3 late should also move down, as should multiple other aircraft as well.
Also likely to see many 13.0s need to move down to 12.7 so they stand a chance. (12.3s as well, because they also have no bracket and often are forced to fight 12.7s and 13.0s)
I don’t insist on making Su-27 and J-11 13.0. New brackets, new modification for J-11 or else. I’m telling basic Su-27 and J-11 are the worst top tier jets but people keep talking nonsense about 10 missiles, good radar etc. Not even playing the plane alone or SIM in general.
It’s not the way I feel. It’s factual.
Lowering the flankers in any game mode will further ruin the matchmaking for all the other jets.
The way you feel isn’t supposed to be… Now you get it.
Without decompression, there’s no way to properly balance these jets.
First you read all my messages and then you make strong statements.
There are a few 13.7s that are worse than even the J-11A, why aren’t you trying to balance those first then?
For example?
Perhaps cos I don’t play them and let players who do play them decide.
R-27ERs are still one of the strongest missiles in the game. Playing the Tornado Gr4 to grind the Typhoon in 13.0 bracket. I was defeating AMRAAMs with ease, but could do nothing against a Mig-29 firing an R-27ER at me.
The sheer volume and mix of R-27ER and R-27ETs you can take, on top of R-73s with HMD is an extremely potent combo. The radar has bugs which cause issues, but should be perfectly usable. If a 13.3 bracket was added, it would easily be one of the strongest, only really challenged by the F4F-ICE and F3 Late sticking as far from it as possible slinging AMRAAMs. But both would be DOA the moment the Su-27 got close.
No 13.3 stands any chance vs most of the 13.7s let alone the 14.0s. This is nothing new and a constant issue for top tier sim. I was stuck fighting 12.0s and then 12.3s and 12.7 in the 11.3 Tornado F3 for the enterity of 2023 due to the absence of an 11.7 brakcet for it (and the dumb BR placement of the F3 in 2023)
Without experience with at least flying every or at least most platforms at that matchmaking, one’s arguments for balance changes don’t carry much weight.
My judgements are based on aircrafts I play on and the ones I fight against. Is anything wrong with it? You still didn’t name a single 13.7 to be bad vs Su-27.
yep, and whats wrong?
welp, it loses track a lot, prob Su-27 is a bit better in that aspect
13.3 plane performs worser than 13.7 and 14.0 planes… magic
Yes before the fix, last week? or whenever it was. Now its on par with Blue Vixen in the FA2 and Gripens.
Sitll woefully underpowered but actually usable
I’m talking about fighters. The difference is GR4 enemies allmost have no fox-3. \
Pick Su-27 and go to test flight. Check how much time it needs to find the target in situation you see markers. When you don’t know where the enemy is the situation is much worse.
Both J-10 and J-11A are 13.7. Saying J-10 is way better is a huge inderstatement.
There are a bunch of F-16’s variants that come to mind, you can start by looking at the F-16A OCU. I would even argue that every F-16 and gripen variant is worse because of the limited offensive loadouts.
Are you kidding me? Or you are trying to prove your point at any cost? Make damn MiG-19 13.7 cos the radar “more that good”.
Before loosing track you need to acquire it. And no. it does much better in both aspects.
I was in a 12.0-13.0 bracket vs almost nothing but F4F-ICE with AMRAAM and the odd Mig-29/Mig-29G slinging R-27ERs.
Tornado Gr4 has one of the strongest, maybe even the strongest defensive suites in game, and yet there was little I could do vs R-27ERs most of the time. But AMRAAM werent an issue for me.
That is why I brought it up, Despite SARH no longer be the top tier meta, the R-27ER/ET are exceptionally potent still.
Again, its a bug. Typhoon is also suffering from this bug as well
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9yF0BF3nNrFl
I was grinding J-11, J-11A and J-10 with F-16 MLU having no fox-3, HMD, etc. And it plays much better due to reliable radar and RWR.