At this point it doesn’t bother me. Bombing is bombing, some people bomb to spade, others fight to spade. I bomb to grind through the tree because I can’t be arsed to constantly fight for 2k RP a match (technically more like 6k if you survive and win, but I digress).
Don’t have to be so anal about someone noticing that your beloved game company doesn’t bother to revamp it’s game mode after 12 years and billions of dollars to it’s pocket and trying to optimize out of it. His suggestion is stupid but you going out of your way to defend gaijin made you even more infuriating than OP.
Wait. what?
How the hell does ‘blaming someone who always makes stupid suggestions’ become defending Gaijin?
Honestly, I want a full refund and think that the game server needs to be down when I think and consider about Gaijin’s neglecting about ‘Bomber’ but being too greedy to sell new fancy jets to ’ the bombers. ’
Beloved game company? really?
How the f- can I love Gaijin when I play War Thunder?
OP just makes and spamming full of stupid suggestion.
because nothing more than he wants to bomb in his J-7D.
- F-4EJ is annoying because those bastards stealing base from me
- J-7D need a napalm bomb (which will make me faster at bombing)
- Nerf the Attacker/bomber even further because it is unfair that they take all of base down and don’t let me eat leftovers of the base.
I just want to let you know that I also hate Gaijin as much as you hate.
Strategical bombers have been in an unplayable troll level for years.
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That could work. Another option is to flat out make bases invincible but you still get points for “damaging” them. I.E. if 2 players race eachother to the same base with intention of bombing it, they both can earn points as it’s impossible to “steal” base kills.
Might be mildly problematic if a bomber can drop their entire load on a single base and get full rewards but I don’t really care or think that’s a serious problem. In fact, one way to fix that is to instead make bases “separate” so when a player destroys a base, the base remains undestroyed for other players on the team. That would make a player have to still spread out and hit multiple bases to maximize, while also fixing the "He stole my base!’ problem.
Replacing air RB with RB EC would also give a bigger role for strike aircraft and bombers.
Because while it’s clear that OP brain was poisoned by alcohol when saying “SEAD exist therefore I must bomb bases”, the idea that “we need variations in ground target and in-combat tasks” absolutely rings true. Except he’s kinda challenged in how to deliver it. ngl i too would like to bomb bases like an idiot in J-7D. Except the fact that I dont have the bomb and it’s just gonna be a race of me vs tornados.
IF OP really want to say that, and
If the whole game mode is revamped, and ‘Bombing J-7D’ can do quite a lot of effort to win the same as ‘A2A J-7D’ (which is impossible in the current ‘TDM for fighters’ system)
I won’t bother them as long as they also contribute to win in the same way I might do as in Tornado at that ‘new meta which will never come’.
(As long as it can also make everyone win. Why not?)
Until then, it is true that the J-7D is still best for being used as a dedicated fighter which is on an undertiered BR.
Using it as a mindless bomber is killing 100% of its potential and making it an ‘inferior MiG-21S’
But according to OP’s comments and this topic.
It really seems that he just wants to bomb every friggin planes he have
because no more than ‘Base gives better reward than A2A kill’ and ‘it is easier’
and dislikes everyone who just disturbs him while on his way to base.
‘We need to limit every bomber/attacker with 1 base loadout because they are greedy bastards who gets more than one’
- while MiG-23ML(Fighter) with napalm reaches 1st among all thanks to napalm meta
- and the Attacker/Bomber has worse a2a capability than proper fighters and now forced to fight a2a thanks to napalm meta and TDM PvP system of current ARB.
It was nothing but sounds like jester’s joke.
I am insanly pissed off when he wants to geld my tornado’s bomb bay because he want to bomb in his J-7D.
Just… Why the hell OP doesn’t put himself into our shoes?
There might be plentyful of other solution which can be implemented if he wants to bomb in fighter
But he is just always bringing the WORST.
For example,
MiG-23ML and Tornado IDS have the same 11.7 BR, and with a bit of exaggeration, a single MiG-23ML can frag three Tornado IDS easily, and better at every aspect.
Only three points that Tornado IDS has better than MIG-23ML is
- Better defensive features as CM/RWR.
- capability to throw guided munition, which is hopelessly worthless on current ARB meta.
- capable of carrying 12 1000lbs bombs, which is capable of destroying 2.3-ish bases at once, but also worthless as long as MiG-23ML gangs can reach faster even if Tornado IDS bring 5(1 base), not 12.
But having the same BR on this dedicated PvP TDM mode. :/
If Gaijin decide to limit every attacker/bomber’s payload into 1-base capablity
Because OP cried for it
Even though there is already a system which acts similarly (reward multiplier of base gets low fast if you carry bombs heavier than 1-base loadout)
it is no more than brain dead nerf to attacker/bomber, and biasing the fighter even further.
Fighters always were and always will be star role of ARB because Gaijin made it as TDM-ish PvP mode, and Attacker/Bombers can do nothing but being a ‘mediocre makeshift version of fighter’ in current meta. :/
Especially when Fighter can also do the same role of attacker/bomber(base bombing, ticking tickets with destroying ground targets)
While the Attacker/Bomber can’t do the Fighter’s job (slaughtering enemies, maintaining air superiority)
in ARB.
Limiting the payload will do no better thing to current shitehole status of ARB but makes it even worse in every friggin aspects.
Yeah no. it’s in it’s tier perfectly. put it in 11.0 and suddenly all it see is 12.0 uptier and it’s going to end up as F-4/MiG-23 food that can’t see incoming missile let alone notch it. I will have my shitty SPO-10 in 10.7 and Not see more of that bullshit HMD shot from US Phantom or more of that undetected J-band bullshit.
Nah, J-7D itself is undertiered. But it is trying to pretend not to look like undertiered, thanks to F-4J/S.
IMHO, F-4J/S bastards should’ve 12.3 long ago if US main didn’t bombed with them and BR weren’t compressed like this.
(As long as 4th gens with good maneuver, and superior F-4EJ Kai stays 12.3, Gaijin will never send F-4J/S to 12.3)
There are tons of undertiered jets all over the game, from 7.0 to 14.0.
If a J-7D doesn’t look like one of them, it is those F-4S’s fault.
IMO, no offence.
But I think the reason why J-7D stays 10.7 long enough to ruin the 9.7-10.7 bracket is
- F-4S bastards which is best 12.0BR jet but keeps whine about 4th gen and R-27ER
- Strange mindless bombing J-7D players like OP which decreases average reward netting and stats of J-7D. (Which makes Gaijin misjudge J-7D as overtiered instead)
- Gaijin, who creates all of these damn f-ing problems as always but never solves any.
Slightly off-topic, but Gaijin’s decision to send J35A with 4 AIM-9B on 9.3BR while keeping Milan with 2 AIM-9B on 9.7 even though J35A is way beyond better in A2A ‘because Milan can bomb and net better average rewards’ was in same ridiculous level to to sending J-7D down to 10.7 instead of decompressing the BR.
They just ruins everything in the name of ‘balance’.
Anyway, back to the original topic,
I just can’t understand why OP keeps constantly throwing ridiculous suggestions which make no one but himself and his J-7D with 4 bombs happy.
dumb post from the dumbest person in the forums
not in this compression, maybe if 13.0 was 13.7
MiG-25 variants with bombs are dedicated recon-bombers which only have bombs and no radar buddy (replaced by a camera) they can only bomb or take photos
I am sure that you checked the other half of the sentence. :|
I really want to see those nasty SOB goes higher but as always
‘damn these compressions’ ruins every single thing in war thunder. :/
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Doing your objective as a fighter, like killing some plane, don’t steal the objective of the attacker or bomber.
Should we raise the BR of all the Mirages too? Because the 10.3 Mirage gets Magic 1s, so obviously that should be 11.0+ as well. We should also raise the BR of the Nesher as well while we are at it, since that is a Mirage III as well. Oh, the Mirage F1C should be 12.3, because why not?
Honestly?
If it can see a flareless fighter aircraft and have missiles superior to 9B/9E/7C and R3R/R3S (e.g.: missiles only viable from ~2km or less and can be defeated by turning left with enough speed or need to be flown into head-first in a straight path), decompression should be applied until it cannot.
The reason I do ok in the F8x aircraft is that in a downtier I can face planes that cannot do anything against the Aim-9D just accept their fate and die and that’s just a 18G missiles.
If this is done, sabres and migs can get uptiered and no longer oppress hortens and Me262s and meteors, which then means stuff like F2H-2, sea vixen and the like can get uptiered and so forth.
Gaijin clearly has a plan for 18.0, I believe it is high time for the F-22, F-35, Su-57, and J-20 to make their debut in game at 18.0 so then we can finally spread the BRs from 1.0 to 18.0
One can pray. Gunfighter jet brackets might see a resurgence in appeal if they get de-compressed out from the high-G IR missiles’ tyranny.
Yes. And Mig-21, F-14, Mig-31, F-104, English Electric Lightning… can bomb and are still interceptors. So?
Lightning cannot bomb, they only get Firestreaks or Red Tops