he just did that.
This unbalanced op jet has basicly made sqb for 6.7 - 7.3 so unenjoyable, it’s literally pay to win for sqb ( it’s airfield takeoff with max 4 airplanes makes this plane perfect for sqb )
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ARB is a whole different thing to SRB, but I agree with you.
I think BI should be 7.0 in ARB and in GRB.
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it could be 7.3, while other rocket planes could be 7.7 and 8.0
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Yeah possibly.
Just that past 7.0 and most things can easily outrun it in a dive or straight line. It compresses a lot too, though it’s still really OP, especially for 6.7.
No, 6.7 is plenty fine for GRB.
It’s not going to damage ground targets, and most pilots in ground will evade most of your shots, meaning you get maybe 1-3 kills, 3 if your an ace pilot.
Then you get to go land.
Other planes have way more versatility such as the A-1H or the A-2D which is a monster ground pounder / fighter.
There are 6.7 planes that can out run it, to the point it compresses itself to death.
7.0 seems fine. Acts as very good CAP.
Well those are like way worse in its fuel effectiveness than BI. And are in terrible state rn. If that was the case and I was looking at BI expecting it to be like Ki-200 id say the BI was bad. Yet it isnt.
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when will you understand?
ground RB and Air RB are 2 almost completely different games with different players and where different aircraft dominate.
In tank battles strike aircraft or fighter bombers dominate and are a majority, a shift from air to air combat that is the core of air battles.
Players in tank battles usually bring said aircraft classes only earned by 2 methods, either they also play air battles (rare), they rushed by just bombing with or without premiums.
you are the last one, rushed a TT just for some CAS planes and then come into a balance discussion for air battles.
Tell me…
What altitude do planes fly in tank battles?
below 1000m
What altitude do planes fly in air battles?
usually above 1000m, even +3000m if none of them are ground pounding.
Do not bring grb into this, pilots simply behave so differently that air to air combat can’t be discussed on it.
my points:
1- it is below 1:1 in air combat, even with brainless strike aircraft all around you, your ground kills do show you like mk-108s for attackin open tops.
2-you are a hipocrite.
We told you countless times, how your K/d was bad (except on the BI-1, mmmm I wonder)
we told you how MK-108s are underdogs compared to shvaks, what did you do? you kept spitting explosive mass and caliber, over and over and over. of course ballistics don’t matter to you! You attack green rectangles crawling around on the ground.
3- Just look at full inventory! almost no tech tree vehicles! Didn’t even take a tech tree he-51 or I-15 into a match, not even once!.
You may have experience in tank battles, but your experience in air battles is next to null.
Do you know how to energy trap without a rocket? Do you know what to do when your climbrate isn’t the best? Do you know energy states?. explain me each one
IF you want, show us a screenshot of your air TT, any nation you want, even your main nation, USSR, is allowed.
Pasted it back, Stop flagging unique, 2 times already on this post, 10 times on my other posts
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Taking 6-8+ direct hits to down an simple me262 seems plenty balanced at 6.7
60 rounds is enough then
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Better make it 2
That’s all you need clearly.
Funny how pretty much everyone else can make those guns work but you. I recently took the Yak-3U for a spin, and was pretty consistently onetapping everything with good aim (The B20s are effectively the same gun as the SHVAKs, just with a marginally higher firerate).
But it’s not just everyone here on the forums, but also globally, as despite having an, according to you, completely insufficent primary armament, it’s managing the 3rd highest KD of all Air RB planes and the 12th highest in kill per spawn. For reference to other plane with severely limited endurance, the Me 163s are 248th and 339th in kill per spawn, in the order you’d expect. The Ki-200 is at 189th in KD, 281th in KS.
To be clear, having a limited pool of ammunition is a disadvantage. Objectively. But it’s not a crippling one, as you can overcome it with good aim, and it’s clearly not doing a good job of holding down the overall stats of the plane.
Maybe take it as a moment for self reflection. Just because a vehicle doesn’t work in your hands, doesn’t mean that it’s secretly terrible and every other opinion about it is false.
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If 60 rounds are enough on J-7E which is supersonic,then its enough on BI. There is no issue to get 6 kills with those 60 rounds on J-7E so why it would be issue on BI. Everything else is skill issue.
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Smaller to hit = harder to die = higher KDr.
It’s kills per spawn is 1.72~ granted that is statshark, which I don’t entirely believe, it’s a good general idea, but likely not exact.
Can you pick a lane? Weren’t you the one upset because I said the KDr of the E100 was way too high for a 7.7 vehicle, and should be 8.0?
Yet you and other kept telling me “oh but it’s rare, there fore it’s only played by good players, it doesn’t need to go up in br”
And yes, the MiG-21 with 60 rnds, J-7E, and the BI are all planes that suffer from their limited ammo. It’s quite bad, I don’t recall whatever mig that was but I despised playing it.
Also, if I’m better with a slower 30mm that hits harder, then clearly I should be great using the “op” shvaks that fire faster, with higher velocity.
The logic doesn’t check out, unless the 20mms do poor damage, in which they do.
BI-1 is number one on:
Kills per spawn: 1.75
Kills per death: 4.05
Winrate: 67.4%
BI-1 is number 3 on:
SL earned per battle: 8,876
RP per battle: 678
Kills per death: 4.05
Winrate: 67.4%
these 2, y’know what they mean?
Kills per death: BI-1 ace battles are pretty common. You know who is in second place? J6K1 with 1.08 kills per spawn, BI-1 is leadin by almost 4 times, that should raise an eyebrow by 3 meters already.
Winrate: since BI-1 can’t do much ticket bleed activities due to little ammo pool and and no secondary weapons it means the BI-1 must pull winrate %100 via killing opponents.
In second place is the J6K1 lagging behind by almost 10% with 58.7% Winrate, J6K1 can mount bombs and has plenty of armament and ammo, yet it still falls behind.
Also fun fact, It is second place in terms of Kills per spawn and first place on kills per death.
On all aircraft on WT, yes, ALL OF IT, from 1.0 to 14.7, BI-1 TAKES CROWN AND SILVER MEDAL.
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Real sh*tter 3.0 20mms are horrible vs vehicles as there’s basically no fragmentation.
Here 30g of MG151/20 plays a huge role as it insta-kills people in explosion radius.
But vs planes it works wonders. When I jave some time, I’ll happily fly Spit Mk 24 vs BI. Or essentialy any other prop, not like it makes much difference.
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For one month it was top, January, way to skew the stats in your favor.
If you look at its
GLOBAL stats
You’ll see its actual stats. Shocker.
Oh yeah they’re terrible unless it’s an open top that’s easy to over pressure, or frag.
Vs planes it seems ineffective sometimes, other times it’s good. It’s like a coin toss every time.
I know it certainly doesn’t kill jets very easy. They take 6+ hits to down a single jet, props are a little more reliable usually being around 4+
But my Mk108s are a 1 tap 10/10 times.
If you wouldnt permanently lie,you´d know J-7Es and MiG-21 F-13 30mm have same velocity and on two out of three shells even worse than Shvaks on BI,as they are 800 m/s,and J-7E have 800 m/s and 2x 795 m/s
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even then, with all BRs and nations selected, BI-1 never fail so show up and previously mentioned categories.
I want you to play ARB, with only mk-108s is preferable.
Show your point
Unbind your “fire small calliber” keybind and play any of these
[30 mm MK 108 cannon | Weaponry | War Thunder Wiki] (30 mm MK 108 cannon | Weaponry | War Thunder Wiki)
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