Props end at 6.7, there is not a single prop that goes into 7.0+, and jets start at 6.7, so just because your feelings are hurt by a plane should not change that very boundary.
Props stop appearing past 7.7
BI blasts props and early jets alike. It’s completely unkillable. So 7.7 is a very generous offer.
Why do you think BI should face props, if it’s ridiculously superior to props in every metric outside of firepower and maneuvrability above 720km/h.
One again - props have ABSOLUTELY 0 chance against it. Why should it ever face them? Maybe we should play a bit, me in lets say, Yak-3U, you in goddamn He-112 B0 (I’m being generous here). And there’s way smaller gap between these 2 than between BI and Spit Mk 24 who currently SHARE same BR.
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This is not correct - they were developed 1941-43 and not “made” in 1942. Maiden flight was September '43, 1st service in 1946.
If you do some research you find out that the Vampire FB 5 implented in wt is a 1948 production model with Goblin II engines which produced ~30% more thrust than the Goblin I.
The rather slow top speed for a 1948 jet is (like with the Meteors) the result of the outdated aerodynamic design of the airframe.
No, jets start at 5.7 & 6.0 - P-59 & He 162.
The BR is just the result of usable guns and the rather powerful engine.
Btw: Your BR logic makes no sense at all - so either u want to balance on combat capability in a video game or on year of introduction - there is no BR border between jets and props.
Based on introduction the 1945 Ki-100 would face 1945 P-51 H-5s - and 1944 P-51 D-20s would fight vs 1944 Me 262 A-1as and Me 163s.
Totally agree.
I even stopped playing the 6.0 He -162 and the 6.7 Me 262 A-2a due to the BI spam - months ago. It made zero sense to focus the whole match on a single opponent whilst you are forced to keep your speed near their rip speed. In addition: Hitting a very nimble and small BI with MK 108s is almost impossible.
The problem is (like with every USSR aircraft with buffed 20mm ShVaks) that Real Shatter 3.0 made them “one-tap” killers. So in the pre-buff era the rather small anno load combined with the (historically correct) low damage output had severely limited the effectiveness of BIs - but gaijin “forgot” to increase the BRs after the buff.
So it is no wonder to see BIs scoring 2-4 kills without rearming / refuelling.
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Absolutely funny - someone showed me an ss of them getting a 3 kill game on their BI and him saying something like “Hard fought and proud!” like f#$k it is.
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Okay, so maiden flight is 1943, that still predates most jets at 6.7, also doesn’t change the fact it is slower and is generally terrible compared to other jets. What benefit does it have? It can turn slightly faster? Wow, that matters so much when every other jet is faster than you. You know what is funny? Gaijin won’t move the A-10As up because they’re “too slow” to be in 11.0+ despite having AIM 9Ls at a BR where they are fighting those without countermeasures (9.3-9.7), but won’t move the Vampire down because it is too slow for the BR range it is at.
Also, I guess you have a point about the P-59, I completely forgot it existed. Mostly because it is not a tech tree vehicle. Then again, American and German bias: getting jets before anyone else. Gotta pander to them.
I was under the impression there was a nice boundary there to differentiate between props and jets, there isn’t so I have no other argument. 7.0 prop plane it is.
By slightly you mean it has like OVER twice the sustained turn rate? You can literally go from “enemy at your tail” to “you pulling lead on enemy” in like 14s. It is like dogfighting Fw 190 D9 in A6M5, only BI actually has a bigger advantage over its opponents, lol.
And it can sustain that turn rate in a goddamn spiral climb as limiting factor is breaking wings due to pulling more than 14G SUSTAINED.
It outclimbs 7.7 jets by a huge margin.
It’s also extremely small which makes it almost impossible to hit.
It has insane acceleration that 7.7 or 8.0 jets can’t rival.
It’s basically unkillable as a result and it can cruise for the entire match at 800km/h at 20% throttle if needed, so if one wants to, it has all the longevity in the world.
It doesn’t care if enemy has energy advantage, as it means nothing to BI, any attempt to escape it by zoom climbing means death or at least means you have to switch to panic dive.
Downsides: you have to map the throttle so you can use settings different than 0 and 100%.
It compresses hard above 700km/h.
At 50% fuel you can rip your wings because the plane wants to pull more than 14Gs sustained.
Low ammo count.
So it’s unkillable, anyone who slows down falls victim to BI. But BI can’t just engage jets going full speed/diving out. Which means it also has to work for its kills A BIT.
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What are you on? Are you going off the old Wiki about the Vampire? I’ve played the A28B, and the three Vampires of Finland, Britain, and Italy. They are not instantaneous turning, they take forever to even reach 800km/h, and hate to break it to you, you’re not turn fighting in a BR that is filled with pure boom and zoom. The only one that might turn fight is the MiG 15, which is far superior to the Vampire, yet the Vampire is constantly in uptiers to begin with. And what climb rate? I’ve brought a G.55 by accident with a friend of mine while he was using the Vampire. I was outpacing him, out climbing him, and outperformed him.
Also, we get it. The BI-plane is the most OP thing ever, and should be 14.0 fighting AIM 120Bs because of how much it beats you. You don’t have to convince me anymore.
We’re talking about BI, not about Vampire, you absolute dingus.
And everything maneuvers, it’s just a matter of how. I routinely go way below 700 in F86 and actually for a good effect. Furballs develop just fine at 8.3.
Going below 700 vs BI = death sentence and 7.7 planes are usually WAY slower than F86. BTW I doubt F86 can hope to kill BI outside of some lucky bullet landing, as BI has the best dodges in the business.
Dude, it doesn’t just beat me. It beats anyone flying 7.3 and lower planes every single time. It’s either BI wins or a stalemate. In no realistic scenario BI loses, unless some super lucky spray happens. GL with that.
I don’t care about modern jets, so make a separate topic to cry about some Kaffir Canuck.
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Ok, so your fix is just to let BI absolutely ROFLstomp props till everyone moves to 5.3 and lower just to avoid the experience, because you’re gonna cry and poo in your diaper if you can’t have your BI special easy mode?
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You can stop reporting my messages because you don’t like me. It is honestly sad.
What was I doing? How about you stop with these delusions. I haven’t reported your posts.
I’ve been in this forum for quite some time (12 years) you’re not even close to anything I’d think about reporting.
Not sure what was unclear.
Despite it is off-topic: If you do some research you find out that other 6.7 jets (i exclude Sweden) are actually older and basically just USSR prop airframes with a German engine. The FB 5 is still a 1948 aircraft; it doesn’t matter when the maiden flight of a way less powerful prototype happened.
Based on your logic a Bf 109 K-4 is a 1935 aircraft - same as the F 24 Spitfire just because their prototypes had their maiden flights in 1935.
So you are still comparing apples with oranges.
There is no German bias regarding early jets. As you are a UK fan: Convince gaijin that they implement the Meteor F 1 at 6.7 (with a top speed ~ 660 kmph) and you have a jet at a lower BR.
This is 100% correct.
From my pov this is a far stretch. Yes, they get a cut of market place transactions, but otherwise it looks more like a topic of USSR bias.
This might be true for US & USSR aircraft - but for sure not for German aircraft. Currently they were nerfed by the MG 151 “adjustment” last summer, various FM nerfs of props and most recently by the fuel nerf of the rocket Me 163.
Whilst US jets of the Korean war era sit at the same BR as a 1944 production Me 262. So too low BRs nerfs just via the MM…
I kindly ask you to stay on topic. Thx 4 understanding.
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That was a level of “Im making shit up” that I could never anticipate of. “spitfire turn in 8 seconds” is crazy.
Just to be clear, I was talking about pure jets, not established planes that got stuffed with a German engine after they capitulated. But enough of that topic.
Yeah, that will go over well. Everyone knows Gaijin hates Britain. They are more likely to put the Meteor at 16.7 before they ever put it down to 6.7, that’s just the honest truth of it all.
I really don’t believe in Russian bias, then again, I’ve also fought against plenty of Russian mains and have actually used Russian equipment to know and understand that Russian stuff is not that good, it’s more of an issue of noobs being sad their “invincible” Leopards and Abrams cannot destroy a T-80 just by looking at them. Same with jets, Russia is just average, but American mains think they can dogfight, and German mains just believe that the Luftwaffe was somehow indestructible and they shouldn’t have lost the war.
Ah yes, I forgot Germany got a nerf in the air last summer. Not like they needed it, but hey, most German mains accepted their air sucked, but as long as Gaijin doesn’t destroy their tanks, they’re OK.
As I said, now that I know a bit more about the BI beyond, “it’s too good, please nerf” I can see why it should go up to 7.0, I still believe 7.7 is too extreme for a prop, but that’s why I’m not in charge of balancing. I like clear boundaries, not randomly throwing things at random BRs.
Holy bait
Guess you could call it the master?
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the BI is the ONLY plane i cant deal with in any way at all when I fly a mk24 spitfire, meteor or hell even something like a hunter isn’t gonna be able to take it on.
It not being at 8.7 as its a infinitely better Komet is insanity.
Russia already has OP stuff at that BR in the SU9 and SU11 they don’t need the hypersonic stalinium rocket there too
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I’ve found it to be very untouchable when playing the Mig-9 Late, and that’s a very well performing plane for the BR that flies better than the Su-11 in some ways. So a 6.7 is impossible to deal with in a good 7.3 plane.
Atleast dealing with Me-163s aren’t hard because they’re higher in BR (and overtiered), but they also need to use higher throttle settings to get the most out of their plane, while the BI just doesn’t.
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