it was accurate then like what ?
the 20 MG-151 has 19 grams of filler which is HA-41 which is 1.5 times more powerful per gram then tetryl
while shvaks hispanos and colts have 7gram of tetryl which is equal in power pergram to TNT its accurate
and it has a trade off of having poor ballisitics compared to other 20mms
if anything hispanos and shvaks and colts are OVER PERFORMING
i agree i prefer early 109s to the 190s at similar brs
lil bro if you think 8g of explosive should be doing the same as 29g then I have a premium to sell you lmao.
And best at what? they still have far lower velocity and are borderline useless past .5 of a mile lol.
190s are genuinely just terrible and show they don’t care, they’ve had so many needs over the years with zero br changes, honestly how in the **** is the f8f lower, a LITERAL super prop.
Warthunder LOVES selective realism, irl the fw190a4 was a monster and made a big shift in air power, in warthunder it’s mid at best.
They need to climb because the Boom and Zoom or energy fight is the only tactics that might help them to score a kill, and you right about some of the plane good climb while slow and the others is the opposite, but they are much better than the 109. Taking Spitfire and the Mustang for example as the good climb while slow and bad climb while fast, the Spitfire is slow but it climb rate can out climb the 109 and make sure they got the height that can change into speed aka the energy; while the mustang having the speed that allow it diving from 3000m having the effect of others plane diving from 5000m. And we haven’t consider they all have more superior firepower than the 109
problem with that is there is atleast three fighters that out climb you by a considerable margin and they always will be higher
I last played the Hungarian F-4 months ago, it is still playable but 20mms are as worse as hitsparkno’s right now. Try the classic BnZ and first concentrate on US fighters.
The FM issue is partially the weird control logic of slats, back in other threads someone demonstrated that the slats allows up to 15% higher turn rate. Same with engine cooling especially for F variants.
That one really sucked. 5.3 sure but you will still suffer cause the engine is worse.
The issue with that is playstyle. That means it is sadly unfriendly to players, since u have to adjust against every enemy, and in not even full uptiers you will see planes that can just slap u in every way.
I mean I liked the 3.0 190A, but beyond that they are pretty sad, D9 is good though, the rest of the A variants suffered significantly.
They are similar to early Hispano but there is just one 151, with worse ballistics, and for earlier ones u’ve got 7.92 as the side instead of 50 cals.
That pretty much works for everyone, but u have to first ensure there ain’t any P38 or super mustang above ur head.
I don’t know man, the F-4 and G-14/AS were pretty good when I played them
Mg151s are good again, they basically perform like DEFAs now (ie literally incinerate or just critical sim)
BF-109s in general climb well with good altitude engine performance and are all-rounders in most everything else. For the meta they are just worse in most ways against the soviet counterparts because high altitude performance isn’t that relevant if people ignore you at altitude and start ground pounding to bleed tickets
lol, lmao even. f4 is okay she probably the best new player 109, but the g14? lol
and mg151s aren’t defa/aden LMAO, they’re still literally worse than any other 20mm, but are now usable.
Nah not really
i made a performance discussion for 190s
rip old fm old bmw801 old instructor
The fundamental issue is that neither the 109s nor the 190s are any good in WT. And no, they’re not “realistic” either. As some people have pointed out issues with the flaps and instructors. Yes, you can make them work, but even people doing well in them tend to do much better in other planes.
At the end of the day GJN decided to make them quite bad in terms of flight model and stats. Then implemented their armament in a way that it’s incredibly low velocity requiring you to be much better at aiming and getting close. And until recently real shatter lead to them doing virtually no damage even when you hit. They do perform better after some changes now, but still not as reliably or good as other similar armaments.
“If you do X you might be able to perform”, sure. But other planes who are vastly more versatile and can do X just as good or even better can do X and Y, and Z at the same time.
@KillaKiwi Not true, there’s a difference. The bigger shell is vastly less likely to hit due to lower velocity and all.
Actually they never had realShatter until recently.
Before realShatter, and when realShatter did hardly anything, 20mm Mineshells were still the most damaging shells.
Only after realShatter buffed structural damage to the extreme, their damaged seemed low but every other explosive shell was now simply better.
If 20mm Mineshells have no advantage in damage, they are simply going to be the worst shell.
Which they do to a very limited extent.
Yeah, they probably rip a wing or tail 20% more often in one shot.
But thats hardly makes up for probably hitting 50% less than other cannons.
It’s kinda hilarious that until recently we had and to an extent still have a 50cal meta. Because it can reliably knock out pilots and set planes on fire.
Imho the skill ceiling for a proper usage of 109s is rather high - but in the right hands and properly flown they are a real pain to fight. In other words: Excellent players perform well, rather mediocre players struggle.
2 examples:
I met 2 weeks ago an excellent player in a G-6 - 161:5 kills in FL G-6. I was aware of his abilities as i checked the enemy lobby right after spawn. My SM 92 is slower, but turns much better, has less high speed compression and can be flown with infinite WEP. But the G-6 played it to its strength (high - 5-7 km) and played energy together with another good pilot. They stuck together, murdered half of my team and i could not afford to attack. Replay link.. I had to outfuel them and won with 2 lousy pillbox kills by tickets (1.226 vs 1.213 😂).
From time to time i meet the player Oscar_GD (StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics) - mostly in full downtiers with my UK Hellcat. He wipes whole lobbies with the 2.3 109 E-3 and i have to play around him as the E-3 is a monster if he flies it. He is in the Top 20 regarding Kills-per-Battle…
Whilst i agree to your general assessment i do not share “virtually no damage” - i used them quite successful in the SM 92 even as this might be related to that usually the 2 center-mounted MG 151/20 hit at the same time.
This is 100% correct - Type 99 mod 2 & Co are way easier to aim. Imho the ShVak is still ruling around 4.0 - it is not unusual to see rather mediocre players with 5 or 6 kills with one ammo load.
This is correct, but “reliably” just on a long term view - imho gaijin steers fires with RNG based on player success.
As a frequent US 0.50 cal user it is imho obvious that even with full API-T belts 5-6 hits JP on aircraft won’t start fires. On average i need just 2 hits with P-47 (full API-T) and 5-6 with the Hellcat (partly API-T) - but i lost over the years enough matches with a hell of hits and no result. Yesterday 6 hits (based on summary) on a BP B7A2 - nothing. My own tends to burn after one hit😂