Bell UH-1Y Venom: the Super Huey

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UH-1Y en route to Camp Schwab on Okinawa (source- Wikimedia Commons)

The Bell UH-1Y Venom is the latest member of the military Huey family. Its two powerful engines allow it to carry payloads and perform manoeuvres unthinkable to its predecessors. Its advanced sensor suite, rivalling that of its companion, the AH-1Z, allows effective threat detection and evasion. Sounds great, right? Well, the bad news is it only carries machine guns, rockets, and APKWS, which makes its role in War Thunder… interesting.

History

The first Huey with two engines was the UH-1N Twin Huey, a version of the UH-1 negotiated between the Canadian Armed Forces and Bell Helicopter that was powered by the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6T Twin-Pac. The US military quickly became interested in the aircraft and adopted it themselves. The Twin Huey served the various branches well for more than two decades, but as the new millennium approached, it started to become increasingly overloaded with new avionics and weapons. While the Army had switched over to the UH-60 Black Hawk, the Department of Defense and the Marines Corps decided to upgrade their UH-1Ns along with their AH-1Ws, as it would be cheaper, both in acquisition costs and future maintenance due to part commonality.

The H-1 upgrade program was approved in 1995, and the new Huey was designated the UH-1Y in 1996 (along with the designation of the new Cobra as the AH-1Z). The main modifications were the use of a four-blade propellor, better engines, and newer avionics. While originally planning to upgrade them from existing UH-1N airframes, approval was later given to manufacture them as completely new airframes instead. The first new aircraft were delivered in 2008, and production was completed in 2019. In 2021, new UH-1Ys were produced for the Czech Republic.

Specifications

Crew: 4 (pilot, copilot, crew chief, gunner)
Passengers seats: 10 crashworthy seats; 8 additional passengers + crew chief and gunner

Airframe and flight performance:
N.B. Flight performance statistics were calculated for a “Troop Insertion mission at 3000 ft / 33˚C” and may not be representative of its absolute best performance.

Empty weight: 5,369 kg
MTOW: 8,390 kg
Cruise speed (maximum continuous power): 293 km/h
Max speed: 304 km/h
Dive speed (possibly equivalent to never exceed speed): 367 km/h
Climb rate: 12.8 m/s
Service ceiling: more than 6,100 m
Manoeuvrability: -0.5G to +2.8G
Engine: 2x General Electric T700-GE-401C, contingency power 1,828 hp each (2.5 min), intermediate power 1,695 hp each (30 min), continuous power 1,546 hp each
Hover Infrared Suppression System (HIRSS): Yes
Internal fuel capacity: 1,443 L

Avionics and armament:
Avionics:

  • BRITE Star II Navigation Thermal Imaging System (N.B. Budget requests from 2010 indicate that the UH-1Y can use both Block I and II BRITE Star as well as the legacy Star Safire. This suggestion assumes the most advanced avionics available.)
    • Thermal imager:
      • Resolution: 640 x 480
      • FOV: 30˚ to 0.31˚
      • Max magnification: 97x
    • Daylight camera:
      • FOV and magnification same as thermals
    • Laser rangefinder
  • Northrop Grumman APR-39B(V)2 radar warning receiver
    • 360-degree threat detection, identification, and Angle of Arrival
    • Bands: C-M
    • Flight line reprogrammable Operational Flight Program and threat library (i.e. should be able to identify specific radar models)
    • Detectable radar modes: Pulsed, Pulse Doppler, Continuous Wave, Single Pulse, Frequency Modulated, Phase Modulated, Scanning Emitters, Agile PRIs and RF, Low Probability of Intercept
  • ATK AAR-47(V)2 missile warning and laser detection system
  • BAE Systems Integrated Defense Solutions (formerly Tracor) ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser
  • Thales Avionics TopOwl Helmet Mounted Sight and Display (same version as used on Tiger, NH90, Rooivalk)
  • 2x Mission Computers
  • 4x Multi-Function Displays
  • 2x Dual Function Displays

Armament:

  • 2x door mounts for 7.62 mm M240D, .50 GAU-16/A HMG, .50 GAU-21 HMG 7.62 GAU-17A Minigun
  • 2x LAU-68 (7 tubes) or LAU-61 (19 tubes) launchers, additional software allows M261 (7 tubes) or M260 (19 tubes) launchers to be used for their remote set fusing function
    • Available ammunition: Hydra 70 or APKWS
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Imagine Alexander the Great riding a donkey into battle, or William Wallace charging English lines with a butter knife. That’s the situation for the UH-1Y in War Thunder. Great flight performance and cutting-edge avionics, but abysmal weaponry (at least for the anti-armour missions prevalent in-game). Unless a HEAT-armed version of the APKWS becomes available in War Thunder (and honestly I think the addition of the Venom would be a great excuse to add such a version), the HE/SAP-HE-armed APKWS will only be effective against light vehicles.

In this role, though, the UH-1Y would be devastating. The extremely good optics, with thermals and 97x zoom (even the Tiger only has 92.1x zoom), coupled with the 5 km range of the APKWS, allow it to sit comfortably outside autocannon range. However, SACLOS/beam-riding SAMs should be able to take it down with relative ease, since even with advanced MAW, its proximity to the battlefield (due to the relatively short range of the APKWS) means that the pilot will have little time to duck out of sight. All in all, these capabilities pose a conundrum for balancing such a vehicle.

More pictures


UH-1Y cockpit (source- Bell)


UH-1Y carrying rocket pods deploys flares (source- DVIDS)


Close-up of countermeasure dispenser of the UH-1Y, USMC Lance Cpl. Jacob G. Brissett pictured (source- DVIDS)

USMC Sgt. Evan Stewart manning a GAU-21 (source- DVIDS)
USMC Sgt. Evan Stewart manning a GAU-21 on a UH-1Y (source- DVIDS)

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The viper is currently missing its venom +1

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+1 9.3 like this, 10.0 if they put JAGM on it

I also just find it inexplicably good-looking

This is what the M134 would look like on it, doesn’t interfere with rockets

Different helicopter but the dispensers look cool

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JAGM would push it much higher than 10.0

Yeah, probably. By the way, what amraam are these?



As you can see next to XQ-58, seems like a bit of a hint as to its armament

Either 120Cs or 120Ds would have to have different views to tell.

I mean the whole purpose of the “loyal wingmen” is to be able to be both a sensor and weapons platform. It makes sense it would incorporate the most ubiquitous A2A weapon in the world. Also fwiw that points to them most likely being compatible with 120Ds as the 2-way datalink further extends the fused sensor system being created.

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Idk though, it looks like the front fins aren’t clipped, maybe they just took an A or B out of storage for the sake of showing off without putting a very expensive missile there? Id like to see it in-game at some point, maybe even as a trailer for say, a humvee or big truck

I mean if you want to be completely specific it’s a CATM-120, AKA a tube of concrete. But the point my point still stands.

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Haha ok, thanks. Forgot that existed lol.

Id like to see how it is implemented if it does come to game though, lots of possibilities. Would be awesome with big modern USMC focused update (at least for US) with the super Huey

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More UH-1/AH-1 series helis

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XD only APKWS? That’s kinda sad imo.

Would prolly still be useful though. +1

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+1 Been wanting the Venom for ages. One of my favourite helicopters since flying it with a full squad in Battlefield 4 decimating the rooftop campers on Siege of Shanghai.

Maybe the door guns can be always facing forward so they can be fired like 7.62mm miniguns on the UH-60.

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sorry not sorry: F*** yea VENOM!!! +999 (insert battlefield 4 theme here)

@TomLiu126 you should make a sugestion for the SH-3 seeking or the SH-2 seasrite too

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Might do them after I’m done with the Cobra line, but AFAIK the only version of those two families that had any ground strike capability was the SH-2G(NZ) that carried Mavericks. The others only carried AShMs, torpedoes, depth charges, etc., which aren’t really useful in War Thunder right now since helis aren’t allowed in Air Sim or Naval (the only modes with naval targets).

Legit Battlefield 4 made this one of my most favourite helicopters. Flying with a full squad on the guns and repairing on Siege of Shanghai just deleting the hordes of rooftop snipers was such a blast. I do hope we see this added to the game at some point. Would be nice to be able to fire the miniguns as the pilot.

Naw they get regular Hydra70s too.

Y E S. Flying these next to AH-1Zs would be awesome. We can’t transport troops or cargo yet, but I would 100% grind this thing out just for the cool factor. After all, these two usually never deploy without the other. I mean, we got the F-111 with only TWO weapons so why not?

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about that , been working on this XD . AMBIENT INFANTRY IN WAR THUNDER: A suggestion in the works (read disclaimer before commenting) people been reading this and saying stuff that has no relation to the idea so just ignore that

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Awe man we’ve been fighting the same battle for a while lol. First reply Immediately brought up enlisted like he just skipped everything you said. Happens every. Single. Time. You can debunk every argument against them, and they will just pretend you said nothing. Some people just valiantly oppose improvement to the game its insane. But yeah, troop transport is desperately needed even if it’s just cosmetic. Helis like the UH-60s, Mi-8s, Mi-24s, and UH-1s would 100% benefits from this.