Agreed, ive played it and so far its entirely unable to reach bases before friendlies do, whether their in bombers or other fighter/strike aircraft carrying bombs they will always get there first. you will also always be intercepted before reaching the bases by anyone who climbs at all, even same br jets will reach you easily, as ive had a few matches where the japanese saber with aim9bs was able to catch me with an aim9b before i reached the base. climbing will not save you, diving will not save you, your 20mm turret will not save you, and the booster rockets you get on spawn will not allow you to reach bases before friendlies anyways so youre basically guaranteed deadweight to your whole team and a free kill to anyone else. playing anywhere in the br bracket of 9.0-10.0 means you can just bully it with a missile. gaijin needs to understand that making a jet worth 8.0 have boosters on spawn doesnt make it suddenly worth 9.0 cause as it stands both versions of the b57 are direct upgrades. they reach the bases due to airspawns and they have the ability to dodge missiles and in the b57b’s case actually shoot back too
anyways its not the yak28 (which is twice as fast at the same br) so it wont get any attention from gaijin.
pal, a saber can catch it easily and if its the japanese 9.0 one it can even shoot you with an aim9b, mig15s can catch it, everything that isnt a sub 1000kmh strike aircraft can catch it at 9.0
its an extremely over br’d jet that in full downtiers does worse than the b57 does in full uptiers, i would know since ive played both myself.
The B-66 goes mach .92 while having SEP of over 4000 feet per time.
The only Sabre that gets close to that climb rate at that speed is the F-86K, the after-burning one.
9.3 being compressed does not justify moving B-66, F-86K, etc lower.
If the climb rate on the stat card is near accurate then this thing doesn’t belong to 9.0. Basically any 8.7 and some 8.3 can outclimb it and intercept it with ease, even more so the ones that have missiles. Definitely not 9.0 material, and basically anyone that gets a 10.0 match in it should leave the match asap (tbh this is true for all aircraft anyway, if more people did that we would have more balance).
Its climb rate is up to ~54 meters per second. It’s faster than many 8.7 fighters, and at least half a dozen 9.0 fighters.
It cruises at mach 0.95 at 2500 meters altitude, just slightly slower than Yak-28’s low altitude cruise speed.
10.0 being under-BR’d is another issue that should be discussed instead.
Well, even if your claim is 100% right for arguing’s sake
(TMI: Currently outside. So can’t check in-game)
I don’t think subsonic bomber jets
- with no frontal weaponry
- with no flare
- and no air spawns
can damage the gameplay of lower BR.
Either Vautour or B-66B.
Especially when the 'interceptor version of Vautour, which can use four 30mm DEFA and four R.511 ‘bomber fragger’ SARH maintains 8.3BR with juicy air spawn.
While inferior bombers rot in 9.0BR.
20mm tail gunner of B-66B?
If that was a valuable asset, Tu-4 at 8.0BR in 2025 would’ve meta, because of 23mm NR-23 turrets with no dead-zone on her fuselage.
If that is your reason why B-66 or Vautour needs to stay 9.0BR
We should have dealt with those damn biased F-86/MiG-15 instead first.
As long as airfield destruction is deleted in the jet era,
(with an intended exaggeration) B-66 or Vautour can’t damage gameplay as much as you think even if it is 8.0BR W/O airspawn.
Yeah, Buffing Vautour or B-66B maaayybe has a chance of ruining the low-tier jet gameplay.
But even if it is true,
It is obviously better than facing four Hunter/F-86F-2/Su-7B in 8.0-9.0 match while playing Meteor F.8 or Vampite FB.5 and top-tier jets on your side, which should deal with enemy F-86F-2, are filled with Vautour & B-66B Pinatas, which carry a white flag inside the fuselage.
We need to choose the lesser devil.
B-66B and Vautours have the same spawning situation.
It’s air on maps changed, and ground on maps unchanged.
Tu-4 is locked onto by AIM-9Bs outside turret range, and unlike B-66 and Vautour doesn’t have the maneuverability to defeat them prior to launch or during launch.
B-66B would’ve been the fastest 9.0 bomber in the game if Yak-28 was kept where it should be.
Even the 9.3 Buccaneer has a slower top speed than B-66B, but has a higher TWR which makes up for the differences.
Flares might help sometimes against a pesky hiding AV-8 as well, especially since Bucc is 0.1 mach slower than B-66.
Also, if any Mig-15, or any Sabre successfully intercepts my B-66, or Buccaneer S2 for that matter since it’s a slower top speed, I’ll complain about them.
Until that point, I will not.
I will exclusively consider F-86K as the sole threat of the Sabres, and it’s an incredibly minor threat, as that’s the only F-86 with the climb rate and potential top speed to intercept a B-66 or Buccaneer S2.
LIM-5P would be a bigger threat than F-86K if it had AIM-9Bs.
Like of course B-66 will be intercepted by Ayit, sometimes Mig-21S’s, F-4Cs, and so forth.
This is why decompression is necessary as a way to buff these bombers and their fighter counterparts.
Edit cleaned things and colored other things.
No. Inteceptor variant of Vautour is 8.3BR and Rank 5 interceptor. It maintains Air spawns exclusively.
Just like the USAF version of the F-84F does.
If you cut the throttle and shut the engine down, you can have a window of opportunity to resist planes with AIM-9B. While Gliding.
Yeah, maybe you can do evasive manoeuvres against them while playing them. But you need to expend energy while turning, which will eventually let the enemy gun you down.
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Okay, it is your choice to sideclimb and maintain a high altitude to be ineffective and raise your survival chances.
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And you successfully ignored every supersonic threats in 9.0BR(Su-7) or higher(F-100, F-104, Lightnings and much mores)
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What I meant by F-86 and MiG-15 part is
‘There are bigger issues than keeping this pinata on 9.0BR’
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Even if this is solely true, I don’t think this should be the reason that B-66 should be the same BR as F-86F-2/86K/Hunter.
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Also, it won’t change the fact that your B-66B will be dead weight of your team when your teammates are crying for desperate help to fight against enemy fighter jets while they are being slaughtered in 8.0-9.0 match.
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Just like F-117 did in ARB.
Not really, I know spaded it should be faster but it can’t gain in a 7° or 8° degree climb and it gets worse with heavier bombs. Even the Cougar which is on the slower end of the 8.3 planes can easily outclimb it and intercept it.
F4C is fine where it is F4C IS FLARELESS gets AIM9E as its best IR It cannot go higher so B66 has to go lower ands it’s not like b66 can’t be intercepted by most 7.7s
Why can’t 10.0 - 14.3 not move up by 0.3?
B-66 can’t even be intercepted by most 8.7s if not all.
Mig-17 is the fastest among the 8.7s, and it’s still not fast enough to get a guns intercept.
None of the other planes at its br have been moved up
Not what you said.
So, you are gonna make decompression to keep B-66B on 9.0BR with Gaijin, with a Gaijin.
And how long did you tell them that you need it? Two- three hundred years?
1- Yes, Decompression is needed.
2- But in Gaijin’s pace, it will come in the distant future.
3- As I claimed earlier, B-66B is a worthless deadweight in-game just like F-117A does.
We can send her down first, along with those other overrated bombers, and we can send her up back ‘when everyone goes up in decompression.’
1- B-66B is currently 9.0BR jet, and it seems it can be intercepted by them unless you play the game ineffectively with sideclimbing to raise your survival rate.
2- If this were your attempt to RAA, for proving why B-66B shouldn’t be 8.7BR.
A. Even if B-66B becomes 8.7 in the current meta, it will be easily intercepted in an uptier match.
Supersonic interceptors with IR missiles like F-104A/C or Lightnings, or Supersonic fighters like F-100D.
(Oh, don’t claim that you can evade missiles from those interceptors. It might be true, but you can’t run away from them forever.)
B. There are some jets which are equipped with missiles in 8.7BR (Scimitar F.1, G.91 R/4, A-4B/E).
Maybe you can keep yourself safe from them if you play your B-66B ineffectively by climbing up and maintaining high altitude to reduce enemy threat by sacrificing your overall reward with fewer base frags.
C. Still SARH slinger with air spawn (Vautour IIN Late/R.511) going to be your serious threat.
@Stockholm_Blend
All statements in all of your posts are your views, not mine; If they were my views they’d be in my posts.
If they are not your views, you should remove them.
I’ve never side climbed with these bombers. Climbing reduces bombing accuracy and is easier to spot than being in the lower altitude range.
A bomber has to have a chance of being intercepted when both planes are played perfectly.
Not when B-66’s are piloted by zombers, but when they’re piloted by people better than all of us.
Everything with missiles is ~0.1+ mach slower than B-66.
F-100D and Lightening are borderline OP vs 8.7s and 9.0s in general, which of course includes the bombers which are balanced alongside those 8.7s and 9.0s.
Not sure why your post is bringing up a claim from your mind [I hope it’s not your opinion, but your post is the only one to have such a claim on the entire forum] that Lightening + Red Tops can be evaded… I think only Sea Vixen would struggle against B-66 due to its lower speeds and no guns to stop a B-66 from just forcing a head-on and escaping while the Sea Vixen loses all distance from a failed turn around, but Sea Vixen isn’t a Lightening.
Probably the best B-66 vs fighter situation would be an AIM-9B equipped F-86K.
That’s a perfectly even match.
Coincidentally, F-86K is currently 9.0 where it should be.
And no, interceptor Vautour isn’t even a threat against IL-28s and B-57s. The missiles can’t physically pull enough after their guidance delay to pull lead. There’s a reason it became 8.3, and it’s not because the missiles are good.
I can get in mine and I can show you its limitations in a future day. Only Tu-4 is threatened by it due to its slow speed.
There is no situation where a F-86K doesn’t just missile the B-66.
Did you say [‘all statements’ in all of your posts], sir?
‘all statements’?
I think you missed the Quote features.
Strange, I think I saw your claim about Yak-28B in July when it was 9.3BR and you were admiring high-altitude defence.
Oh, do you think this one is off-topic because this topic is about B-66B?
Nah, you used [your experience about Yak-28B when it was 9.3BR] to counterclaim us.
So I am also using [your experience and claim about Yak-28B when it was 9.3BR]
Your former claim about your tactics on your Yak-28B can’t be acquired with [low-altitude interdiction].
You claimed that you could evade AIM-9B of F-104 before.
I brought Lightning F.6 with Red tops as nothing more than a Functional Equivalent.
1- Yes, R.511 itself is meh SARH. Maybe only good enough for fragging bombers.
2- B-57A/British Canberra, Tu-14T don’t have RWR.
3- B-57B, B-66B, Yak-28B has RWR.
4- IL-28 didn’t have RWR until yesterday, and it got the same SPO-2 which Yak-28B has.
5- No matter whether it has RWR or not, you need to move to defeat the missile, and it will eventually lead you into Vautour IIN’s gun range.
6- Just telling, if Vautour IIA/B/N(Early) needs to be 9.0BR, there is no reason that Vautour IIN Late should remain 8.3BR with exclusive SARH and interceptor air spawn.
(Edit: Reuploaded captures)
I see no reason for the Vautours to not be 8.3 if the interceptor variant is also that BR while being better suited for air RB. After test driving the B-66 more, I still think it needs an airspawn to be competitive, but that seems unlikely. Without one, it should at most be 8.7.
It should also be noted that the B-66 isn’t able to pull enough to dodge Aim-9Bs, unlike the B-57, Vautour(?), and the Il-28 in some scenarios.
@Stockholm_Blend
This topic is about B-66B.
And I’m here advocating for 9.3 decompression as the method to buff the aircraft.
1000 - 3000 meters isn’t “high altitude”, and returning to base isn’t side climbing, that’s going for rearm.
Yak-28’s climb rate was mentioned against all but Mig-19s, because outside of full uptiers into 10.3, Yak-28 couldn’t face anything that had good enough missiles and climb rate at the same time.
That’s why Yak-28 deserves to be 9.3 again at minimum.
AIM-9Bs for the most part are a non-issue on airframes that have… different characteristics.
And no, I never used my experience in Yak-28 to counterclaim us. In-fact, I never counterclaimed us.
I shared my perspectives and talked about B-66’s capabilities.
I am not sure why all of your posts are arguing against your own invented strawmen.
RWR does not matter when there’s a giant diamond that shows up. They are not BVR missiles.
"I’d end up at 8000 meters and cruise to the airfield. sometimes I’d climb to 12000 - 15000 if a MiG-19 climbed for me. "
No…?
You used your experience in Yak-28B as indirect proof of why B-66B shouldn’t be buffed.
to counterclaim us.
I think I claimed that RWR does not matter.
Sir, I gently propose that you need to accept you lost this arguement.