I think they fixed that, it was the fighter version
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you sure?
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okay i lied, i remember it being fixed in the firebirds dev server but ig i remembered wrong
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Exactly the reason I grinded F-105 before the update so I don’t need to waste another 190K on B-66.
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“The vautours are fine at 9.0 and without airspawn” said no one ever
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Maybe.
Maybe, because of compressed shitstorm.
(Yak-28B and Su-7 itself may be considered as ‘fine 9.0BR jet’ if we only think about upper side fighter jets like F-104A/C, F-100D or Lightnings. because Yak-28B or Su-7 can’t carry A2A missiles.)
But it has an air spawn unlike the B-66B does.
and it almost guarantees bombing the base from opponents unless a full up-tier match or SAAB-105 comes to intercept.
Nah.
I think I explained this well in the last discussion about the same topic
It is truth in most of cases.
Yes. it is truth in most cases.
But I really wonder, as I did on last time
I don’t think subsonic bomber jets
- with no frontal weaponry
- with no flare
- and no air spawns
can damage the gameplay of lower BR.
As I claimed earlier in last topic, We need to choose the lesser devil.
Send B-66B down to 8.7 with airspawn or 8.3 without airspawn.
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Decompressing 9.3 by compressing BR 7.3 isn’t the solution.
I think I explained this point well in our last discussion in another thread over there.
B-66B has no ability to compress either 7.3 or 7.7 because bombers can do nothing in this game.
Or at minimum give it an airspawn at 9.0/rank V so it isn’t slower to bases than a bomber a full Br lower than it.
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Bombers need fighter counters otherwise 25 minute matches occur.
If I play at 8.3, zero aircraft in the game that are currently 8.3 can frag me in my B-66. None.
The only way that changes is if its counters move down with it.
First of all, I think I already crushed your theory last time, and I feel this is a bit pointless. :/
(I told you that you would’ve read the whole argument again last time.)
But let me explain to you once again.
So, bomber needs to be sacrificed while they can do nothing because of the greater good?
-No Contribution to victory thanks to ‘permanent termination of airfield destruction’
-has worse/no a2a capability compared to fighter counterpart.
-worse a2g capability compared to proper strike aircraft (which do better on destroying ground targets for ticking down the tickets)
How about banning all bombers in ARB and limiting their usage on GRB, just like Helicopters do?
:/
It will be a better way to end the match faster than 25 minutes. (/s)
1- R.511 wants to know your location. (joke take)
2- Even if B-66B becomes 8.3BR without airspawn, there will be no goddamn problem as long as it can contribute nothing in the match.
Was this part
-supporting the compression
or
-failed attempt to ‘reductio ad absurdum’?
Sending B-66B down to 8.7 or 8.3 only can be applied when the fighter counters also go down along with her?
For what? Compressing BR even worse?
If we consider this part of your claim is only a valid fact solution for arguing’s sake.
nothing will change because B-66B will still gonna be slaughtered with no effort by fighter counters.
@Stockholm_Blend
Counters =/= F-104S vs B-57.
Counters is F-86K vs B-66.
The interceptor Vautour is a counter to IL-28s, not the notably faster B-66.
If a Vautour frags a B-66, it’s because the B-66 let it.
It’s like if an F-104S lets an F-5 frag it.
Compressing 8.0 is what your posts offered. I opposed because I’m for decompression in general, not moving the compression around.
Moving the powerful fighters up from 9.3 will stop the “slaughter” and keep the balanced fighters for B-66.
This is a false analogy.
You completely forget that F-104S[11.0] never face either B-57/Canberra[8.3] or B-66B[9.0]
Also, if we consider that you mistyped F-104A/C[9.3] as F-104S(F-104s), just for your second chance.
In dictionary terms? Yes. F-104A/C isn’t a direct counter of B-57/B-66B
But in-game terms? No. F-104A/C acts perfect counter of B-57/B-66B just as she was built for.
She meets them, and she frags them.
Strange, I think I saw you claimed that Vautour IIN can’t counter IL-28 earlier.
Now you are speaking that Vautour IIN is only good for counter IL-28.
Quite contradicting, innit?
Also,
Here. Catch!
Your current claim was outdated, and it was CRUSHED when you originally used it 3 days ago.
Ah, same boring theory.
“I do good, so it fits fine. So it is your problem that you sucks”
This perspective relies on an exceptional personal skill level.
1- Your exceptional skill can’t be proof of Vautour IIN will never gonna frag B-66B.
2- Even if we consider that you are completely right and Vautour IIN can’t frag B-66B forever, it won’t change that B-66 will easly get caught by a supersonic fighter/interceptor.
1- Will you stop projecting your offer onto mine? I never offered compressing 8.0.
2- Because I explained why Buffing B-66B can’t create compression in BOTH OF OLDER TOPIC AND THIS ONE.
3- it was you who claimed ‘if you want buff B-66B, you need to buff fighter counters too’ → (which will eventually go to create real compression)
LOOK UP.
I explained it very well earlier.
Did you know?
- Gaijin decompresses the BR extremely rarely?
- And they almost always decompress ‘Top jets’ only?
- Also, it will going to take forever to have any effects from [decompressing by Gaijin] with B-66B at this rate?
-Even in ‘slightest level’?
I understand what you are worrying about and what you want.
But cut your daydreaming. We both know that this solution is not viable. And I explained to you many times.
Yes. Decompression is the ultimate solution. But no. B-66B will not gonna see that bright shine in a long time.
We need a direct, rapid solution for B-66B
Edit: I am fully aware that this post was previously hidden due to what appears to be False-Flagging, aimed at silencing a fact-based counter-argument. I firmly maintain that this post adheres strictly to the ‘criticise ideas, not people’ and ‘Improve the Discussion’ guidelines.
If this post should be hidden due to further False-Flagging, I present two options:
- Private Resolution: Clarify the specific violation via PM. I might comply if the standard is clear.
- Public Precedent (Preferred): Publicly clarify the violation. This ensures transparency for the entire community and establishes a necessary reference point in the application of the Guidelines. By making an official precedent.
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Just spaded the B66 its awful, sure its fast in a straight line but takes forever to get there and you can only outrun people if you are already on a course for the runway since if you arnt they cut off your flight path. You are barely out running other aircraft. Had a Hunter F1 who was on min fuel (he said in chat) and a javelin and was ever so slightly pulling away, not enough to get out of their sight, so they stick to you like glue.
Turret is awful sprays everywhere only ever scored hits. Worst thing is doing high alt bomb drops the bombs spread out so far end up missing half the base even with bomb series set to 6 then dropping a single. Very inconsistent bomb drops vs the sight.
Only got good bomb drops at low alt which is a death sentance and very rare you get safe airspace.
The F117 was way more fun than this could atleast bring some utility to the team with laser bombing people on the airfield, as a funny gimmick.
It does not belong at 9.0 as @Stockholm_Blend said it can go down as its not compressing anything as its zero threat to any other plane. It has nothing really going for it. In a downtier its placed with Rank 5 air spawning bombers and strike aircraft so you end up needing to loiter. In an uptier paired with faster bombers/strike/fighters bombing and have to loiter.
It cant kill and it cant steal bases from anything first unless you are on a suicide mission.
This and the French Vautour bomber without a gun could easily go down in br in my book they are by far some of the worst planes i have spaded and i have done almost every tree to from Rank 1-7.
Id say 40% of matches were at 10.0 other 50% were 9.7-9.3 and 10% 9.0.
It brings nothing to the game( besides the hilarious Rato/Jato) and is useless at its current br and you cant change my mind.
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Just give airspawn to the B-66B and Vautours, necessary and sufficient solution
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@Stockholm_Blend
It’s not a false analogy, it’s an example. A false analogy requires one to change the standard of the comparison to another set of items, which I’ve never done.
F-104S is so far more advanced, that it’s obviously not the B-57’s counter.
The B-57’s counter is closer to the Sea Hawk in France and Germany, and Mig-15 for a guns-only platform.
I was specifying major threat against IL-28 as that was the context, no contradiction.
I never once brought up my skill in this regard. I brought up skill that is better than mine.
Me: “We need to decompression 9.3 and create BR 15.0.”
No where did I project that offer onto you or others.
No one is trying to silence you. Long ranting posts inventing fan fiction about fallacies, and falsely accusing others doesn’t have anything to do with War Thunder discussions.
No one false flagged you.
No one is projecting anything onto you.
All you have are false accusations that are personal attacks because you have no argument to stand on.
We need to decompress much more than just 9.3… we need to decompress almost everything
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The vaultourtho has air to air missiles tho and a better thrust to weight ratio than the b-66
The french Vautour IIA and IIB don’t have missiles
B66 needs its cci/rp and the rear radar reticle for turret. Also missing its 3 5k bombs and the 20 500lb cluster bombs. All things it had irl. It didnt use a bomb sight like it has now…
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