@Stockholm_Blend
First off, I was playing ground, I haven’t played air below top BRs to know air spawn started.
You can’t ignore what you don’t know, and no one told me.
YOU should’ve said, without assuming anything of me: “Hey, Alvis. They changed spawning systems of air RB to air spawn for everyone.”
And I would’ve been like “Cool. I’ll retest things later.”
Test drive is not a datasheet test, it’s a real-world test using real loadouts and starting from the same position.
With bombers all universally starting in air right now and in the foreseeable future, I’ll redo my “real-world” testing, and I’d appreciate it being respected rather than dismissed and in my opinion lied about.
Is that a fair ask?
You and I obviously agree that Yak-28 and Su-7 should be a higher BR.
I’ve created zero claims against anyone here. You made false claims and got called out as creating fan-fiction, and for some reason are attempting to “No u.” despite that being my only claim against you or others.
B57B get 50 Cals and a 20mm front cannon, Canberra get 20mm cannons, IL-28 gets 23mm front and a 23 rear turret gunner, the is-28 sh can even take gunpods.
First off, I was playing ground, I haven’t played air below top BRs to know air spawn started.
Why are you in a thread about a plane at 9.0 if you havnt even reached rank 6 where planes lose air spawn.
I explicitly tell people I don’t know most things.
I know a decent amount about a few things in the game.
Acceleration testing is one of the few things.
@psycho_sikh
My bad, I typed “weaponry” when speaking about flares, because my brain used a technical term instead of the common term.
I meant to type in countermeasures, so I hope you’ll accept my mistake and clarification.
Also, all bombers and strike aircraft have air spawn currently on at least some maps if not all, including B-66B.
I was only made aware of this yesterday from a match I played involving the F-80A-5.
The Buc s1 is classed as a strike plan. No plane gets a guaranteed air spawn rank 6 and above, only some maps have everyone spawn in the air rank 6 and above.
You don’t. Our conversation that we had about hellfires vs vikhrs is a prime example of that. I don’t even think you stated that in this thread as well. I’m getting off topic but you get the point.
Well, I think you can’t miss the bad & awful ‘NO AIR SPAWN ALLOWED FROM RANK 6’ system unless you didn’t play ARB for Years. :(
AFAIK, about the air spawn system, I assume nothing has changed since the last time you tried a lower rank ARB.
Rank 5 gets air spawn (IL-28, B-57, Canberra, Tu-14T, USAF version of F-84F, and HF-24 )
Rank 6 doesn’t get air spawns. (Vautour, B-66B, Bucc S.1, Bucc S.2)
In the majority of matches.
Your test data from the test flight can’t contain two main features.
1- enemy interceptors who want to eat you alive
2- Air spawn feature (Which IL-28, Tu-14T, and B-57/Canberra has, while Vautour or B-66 don’t)
Yes, your data wasn’t a papersheet. Because you tested it with your own.
But, A test without vital factors is no different from a blueprint in a “clean room”—it’s a theory, not a reflection of reality.
Maybe you don’t need a retest if the reason is that.
AFAIK, ‘air spawn for everyone’ on low ranks are exclusive for some maps. Not guaranteed.
If you really need to retest, you need to keep rank 6 one spawns in the ground, while rank 5 one spawns in high alt air.
That is why B-66, Vautour, or Bucc S.1 is ‘slower’ than Canberra or IL-28, even though they are ‘technically faster’
Canberra and IL-28 can trade their initial altitude for speed to extra acceleration, or maintain it for a slightly better survival rate.
While your B-66 or Vautour needs to start at ground and watches Canberra destroy base in downtier match, and Su-7B, F-104C, F-4C, or F-105D takes base in uptier.
-Because Canberra has an initial altitude advantage
-and supersonic jets start in the same airfield but faster.
TLDR:
1- In dictionary terms, yes. You might be right. Both B-66 and Vautour might be the fastest subsonic bombers.
2- in-game term, no. Both B-66 and Vautour can do nearly nothing effectively.
That is why other guys disagreed with your claims.
That’s why I did an airfield test for my post, cause I assumed that was still the case.
It’s not and I’ll have to do more testing later as they’re giving all aircraft air spawn now.
It’s nonsense that the thing you said made sense!!
The Vautour has a much better bombload than both the Yak-28B… The B-66B even moreso. What “efficiency” are you talking about for aircraft that have a worse and less versatile bombload.
The game mode in which everyone rushes to the base and tries to catch some ground targets while pursued by supersonic interceptors with missiles. :/
I agree with your claim if you refer to the Ground/Naval Realistic mode.
In those game modes, a better bombload means better.
in ARB
more bombs = slower acceleration & fewer base reward modifier = lower chance & fewer reward per base
while extra bases or ground target rewards, which can be farmed with extra bombs, don’t give an effective reward compared to taking a single base per sorties.
(If better bombloads are effective in ARB, everyone would love B-29 or Tu-4 or Tornado GR.1)
Also, don’t forget that either Vautour or B-66 are slower than both
Yak-28B & Su-7B (same ground spawn but faster acceleration)
or IL-28 & Canberra (slower acceleration but with initial altitude bonus, and lower BR)
bro you are nitpicking the smallest advantage it has and trying to justify it being at 9.0. Fast? Slightly faster than things at 8.0, but it isn’t “9.0” fast. Not even close. It doesn’t even pull that much G, in fact, it doesn’t even pull enough G to dodge aim9b, lol. Oh and the tail gun that you said that it was gona make this thing “untouchable” is dog water by the way. Radar doesn’t work, gun cant hit crap. It’s 1.0 BR higher than it should be. It’s performance is so identical to IL-28 but at 9.0 with no real advantage to make it worth playing. DOA.
It’s a bit faster because you used rocket assisted take off? I can’t tell cuz the picture is cropped but even if you did not use it, the time you clock is not that significant. But if you did use the rocket assisted take-offs, then B-66 is the same as any other 8.0 bomber once in the air. Rocket assisted take-offs is not an excuse for it to be 1.0 BR higher than where it belong.
It’s suffering from the fighter-centric game design that’s currently the main focus right now instead of making a more balanced game mode with actual objectives other than shoot everybody with a red name
Probably the best thing to happen right now would be to add enduring confrontation to air realistic
It’s “suffering” from 9.3’s compression.
However, it’s faster than most subsonic 9.0s in the game.
I think only Mig-17PF, G91Y/YS, and IAR-93 are the subsonics that have a chance of intercepting it due to afterburner.
Outside that, only the barely supersonic aircraft have a decent change of threatening it like F-100D and Mig-19.
Mig-21S should probably be 10.0 post-decompression.
EC sim already exists for B-66 if you want, but the only way to improve EC in general is an AI overhaul.
Anything with any sort of air-to-air missile that gets close to it there’s going to be a problem because of lack of countermeasures which luckily b57B received its countermeasure pods B66B currently doesn’t have the breathing room that it should have in the current air RB regardless of compression
