Judging by the fact that they are adding the B-33. There’s a very good chance that most of the Tier IV-VI aircraft in the Indonesian Line would be of Soviet Designs or Eastern European (Czech & Polish) derivatives of Soviet designs such as the Lim-6, the rarer Lim-6bis, Tu-2 & S-101 as examples. The Fifth line could get the P-2 Neptune’s even if they are Japanese not Malaysian. Mostly because with the exception of the CL-41G. Malaysia never operated an aircraft that would be below Tier VI unlike Thailand or Indonesia.
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And given that there are already precedents of Eastern aircraft straight up in top tier before lower ones, most of us won’t have a problem with it.
not sure with P-2J, it may be an even slower Canberra and no defensive weaponry ie. gunners?
there is consideration for MB-339AM as well given they are able to use DEFA cannons, compared to CL-41G that only has 2 7.62mm gun pods unlike Strikemaster that has 2 built in and 4 pods (though yes CL-41G’s gun pod is M134 minigun)
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isnt the kf21 korean?
well yes but only Indonesia in near future for now
but yes T-50i/TH/FA-50M is still uncertain given usual “main tree should get them first before subtree” but United Korean tree hasn’t arrive yet
Thai and Indonesian yes, Malaysian is about to receive them soon
for KF-21 only Indonesia is confirmed as for subtree context (yes Philippines also planning to procure them but they’re not in Japan tree)
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they have ?
i thought it was a korea only aircarft
it was a joint venture technically, but its predominantly SK, but that doesnt mean its wholly SK development. Indonesia will also build 15% of the airframe’s component for future aircrafts
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ok
and can i ask a question about south koren tech tree
will it be like israel or like every other country?
its going to be like the chinese tree, where its a unitary country filled with both north korea and south korea
but further questions about this can be asked in the unified korea suggestion posts=
otherwise it would be offtopic for this page specifically
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thanks
I decided to update it a bit, with some suggestions from others.
A quick summary would be moving around some of the folders from the base game (namely F-15J, F-5TH/F-16A OCU folder) and adding some new ones (F/A-18D Early and Late folder like in the US/UK Tree with F/A-18A and F/A-18A / C Late, Thai F-16 Folder). I also decided to swap out the XF-2A for XF-2B^ ( @_RODY ), moving around the T-50s ( @MAUSWAFFE + @NajmiCreative + @_RODY ), and making the F-16AM eMLU Squadron ( @NhifanHafizh + @买卖LG双门冰箱有意者请私信 ) and having a Thai F-16AM in the Researchable tree instead. I also decided to add “to be delivered” / “to be made” vehicles (!) back to the tree. I’ll be adding more as time goes on, especially in mid tier ( @THEPolishThunder Lims).
Full Changelog
Changelog
- Added
Thai F-16AM (Replacing F-16AM eMLU)
Malay F/A-18D Early
XF-2B (Replacing XF-2A)
Thai JAS39E (Not delivered yet (!))
Malay FA-50 Block 70 (Not delivered yet (!))
MiG-25P “Red-31” (Vitkor Belenko MiG-25 Defector)
- Removed
XF-2A (Replaced by XF-2B)
Indo F-5E
= FA-50 Blk.50 E + L
~ Changed
Fixed Arrows not connecting on certain folders
Undelivered vehicles added back to the tree (!)*
Indo Su-30MK 13.0 → 13.3
Indo F-5E MACAN 11.3 → 11.0 (Replacing F-5E)
Indo T-50i 10.7 → 11.3
Indo F-16AM eMLU Researchable → Squadron
Indo F-16C 52IDN 14.0 → 13.7
Malay F/A-18D Late foldered with F/A-18D Early
F-5TH removed from folder with F-16A OCU (replaced by Thai F-16AM)
F-15J(M) removed from F-15J Folder, added to F-15J(M) folder with F-15J(M) Late
*Vehicles w/ a lack of info still outside of the tree (ex. Su-30KI)
^I decided to go with the XF-2B for two reasons;
One, a XF-2 is something we should get in game
Two, I wanted a two-seater F-2 without compromising too much performance. Since the F-2A (L) was going to be end-of-the-line, it should keep the one-seater performance. The 13.7 F-2A is already a single-seater in game. The XF-2B would suffer from the worse performance of the two-seater but would still be one of the best airframes at 13.0. This is why I decided to keep it.
Oh yeah I also added the MiG-25P that defected to Hokkaido as an event, I stole the “Red-31” nickname from the suggestion.
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Lims mentioned 💪💪💪
Looks amazing, great changes all around!
Especially the XF-2B, I need my 004
XF-2B 63-0004, the first F-2 to be properly armed, making it the definitive first AESA fighter to exist
Technically still a single seater, because the second seat isn’t used, but this was solved later with astromech droid integration (after refit to F-2B ADTW 102). This can help with piloting, simple in-flight repairs and hyperspace calculations. This would make for a great event vehicle if Gaijin can get the license.
Also clearing up the F-5/F-16 folder in favor of the Thai eMLU is nice, especially when it gives both Thailand and Indonesia their own versions of F-16 modernizations in the tree.
If you plan to go down a rank there’s some great options there.
- For Japan I think it’d be great to see a Fuji T-1 folder and Kawasaki XT-4 in the Ki-200 line, leading up to the T-2 and other post-war domestic developments. The Malaysian line also does leave space in rank V/VI that can be used for Maritime patrol aircraft like the P2V-7/P-2J, P-3C and P-1. There might need to be a somewhat scuffed P-3/P-1 folder, but that’s techtree space in this game…
- Thailand could get their A-37B (or OA-37B).
- Indonesia could get their modified T-33A, Vampire T.55 and CS-102 (twin seat MiG-15 with lower armament). Then there’s the Hawk 53 which would be similar to the Hawk T Mk.1 in the UK tree but with two extra hardpoints, and their TA-4H/J Skyhawk that would be similar to the A-4H in the Israeli tree, but with two seats and no internal cannons (so they’d rely on gunpods) which would also be great candidates, but to save space might be better foldered with their rank VI counterparts. There’s also the Il-28T that could be added here, which would be somewhat unique since we don’t have this variant in game, if we can allow bombers here. Personally I’d say it should be fine considering this is initially a dive bomber line and the USSR tree places the Il-28 outside of the bomber line too.
- And Malaysia could get their CL-41G and MB-339AM
The Indonesian line here is really tight on space, especially when considering aircraft like the Tu-16, Lim-5/6 or MiG-19/21. Indonesia really isn’t a single-line nation.
I think unless we get more space somehow, there is really only two solutions here. One is to try and compress the Indonesian line as much as possible.
Example
The “compressed” Indonesian line, including some very questionable folders such as having the attackers (T-33A, Hawk 53) and Fighters (CS-102, Vampire T.55) arbitrarily foldered in rank V, the Hawk 109 foldered behind the A-4s and still lacking the space for Indonesian Mig-19/21
The other option is to do what Gaijin did for the Thai navy jets and partly flare out into other lines. Since I think the Malaysian line should preferably already hold maritime patrol aircraft and with that would already be filled, the best bet here is the Thai line.
Example
The expanded Indonesian line. Here I tried to make the split for rank V/VI where the western imports (Hawks, A-4s) are moved over to share the Thai line, while the Indonesian line is mainly the eastern aircraft used by Indonesia like the Lims, MiGs and their bombers. This does force the Thai line to have a slightly awkward folder for the L-39 and A-37, but aside from that it’s a surprisingly clean solution.
Edit: The Vampire T.55 isn’t gone, it’s in the leftmost line from Japan, between Kikka and the F-86 folder. Japan also bought one, so this is a good way to lighten the Indonesian line while it can still have both nations camo options.
For future Thai aircraft, if the Thai AT-33 should be added, I’d say it’s fair in a folder behind the Indonesian T-33A. Again not ideal, but this means that every Thai rank V option is accounted for aside from the F-86F-30 that’s already in the tree and just needs the camo. For rank VI it’s similar, where only the F-86L is left. This I think can be done either by reintroducing the A-4/Hawk folder for Indonesia in this rank, or simply by making the F-86L a squadron vehicle which is my personal favorite option.
Of course neither of these approaches is ideal, but I can’t just magically make more lines (unless Gaijin let me) so this is as good as it gets for now. Maybe you can find a better solution though, would be exciting to see!
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Damn japan is living in a Galaxy Far Far Away
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There’s a suggestion on it already too!
I think this would be an amazing event vehicle personally since it doesn’t take away anything from the tree, but does have something that I think people would really want to get.
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It’s beautiful 🥲
Now we wait for the Indonesian SU-35 and J-10 to update that top rank again lol
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IF-21 🙏
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