Aprenda a jugar primero si quiere solo tanques tiene wot
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aprende a jugar o anda a wot novato
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Return if you actually have an argument…
aprende a jugar
Are you capable of saying anything else?
You know, something like an argument.
Here is it in english:
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aprenda
Pathetic
For me planes have their place in the game cause if you delete planes people will start crying (more) about campers BUT i’m more for using my own planes like in naval instead of using shit random planes i don’t want (or that are nearly useless).
Well we constantly write in the forum but Gaijin seems to ignore the issue and rework with no actual meaning in gameplay, sure 10 years pass and they take off the recycle from fighters and spotting ability good chance overall but they put more and more respawn planes + helicopters behind spawn and this is just ridiculous AAA can’t def you respawn and get carpet bombed not to mention you try to aim at someone and you get bombed or rocket busted from behind is total BS seems we need to wait another 10 years till something get done 11 years BETA , they can fix it easily but what they want is 2 min battle one side for more frustrating the players trying to do BS daily missions for the Traffic in the game just put the enemy plane respawn behind tank respawn so the AA actually can protect the allys and planes need to work for the kill right now is completely idiotic worst than before.
Or, just leave this mode as is, and add a second without planes.
If you don’t like ti, then you still can play the other.
Everybody would be happy.
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Well…some years in game forums make me believe THIS^^ is the only sure thing that will NEVER happen :)
In this specific case…there is a chance that matchmaking would be harder in some BRs and some of the modes…i would expect higher BRs to have less players in mixed mode. Pretty sure this would be a big issue in Realistic mode (as they would ask for it too).
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Yes. And, because there would be less players in the “mixed” mode, especially at higher tiers, don’t you think that it is a pretty good indicator, that CAS is horribly unfair?
To make it more clear.
It has been explained countless times why CAS is such an oppressive mechanic.
I have lost countless of games, just because some player with negative K/D and zero game knowledge just hopped into a bomber and annihilated half of our team. And from that, there is just no recovery.
And this is just a single issue from the many.
I don’t care if a player kills me in a horribly OP tank while i am in a stock (and let’s say awful tank even spaded) tank in a full uptier. The guy used skill and game knowledge to destroy my tank. I still have some way of fighting back. I have killed a tryhard sealclubber B1 ter in a Chi-Ha (the 57mm gun version with 55mm HEAT pen). It was 1 in a 10000 chance, yet i could do that.
On the other hand, i have no realistic chance to fight off a plane in a tank, even in an SPAA.
Recently, i made a full SPAA lineup at 5.0 UK, to test it off how effective they are.
Just watch this:
What do we see?
The smaller issue is, that despite me having 9 air kills, a teammate with 10 tank kills and 2 assists gets 50% more score than i do.
With the 9 kill skill bonus, i recieved 1800 RP. Then, in another defeat, with a tank lineup, 6 kills got me 2100 RP…
Now, the bigger issue is, that the only real chance of me shooting down a plane is either when they kamikaze attack me, or, when they fly in a straight line, both only works, when they are within 1200m.
Let’s look at the closer:
1, the kamikaze:
If i am in an open top, they have a very high chance of just killing me before i can kill them. And i am only talking about planes with guns. If they have rockets, or bombs, i literally can’t do anything. They can just quickly aim at me with said weapon, withing a second, and disengege, and they don’t even have to hit me.
2, flying in straight line:
this is when they attack a teammate. The issue is, that by the time i can shoot them down, they already dropped all their bombs/rockets. I literally can not prevent them killing my teammate. This means, i am literally useless for my team.
The ratio of prevented teammate destruction when playing SPAA is bellow 10%, but i’d bet it is bellow 5%.
And all this is when only a single plane is up!
Do you want to know what happens when multiple of them is up? This:
And i am a page in, and didn’t even talk about this single issue in detail.
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I don’t think CAS is that broken, and I play Britain, all we need is to be a block of some sorts to heli spawning at the start.
How is it that unfair? Please can you elaborate? It’s not as point and click as some people paint it. Specially at higher tiers where high level SPAA can dunk on planes before they are able to reach the battlefield. Problem is most SPAA players just stay at their spawns waiting for planes, it makes really easy for planes to engage them. However if an SPAA player is able to conceal himself, he can shut down entire sectors of the airspace, One notable example is the Strela 10.
just to name a few:
1, The have a 3d space instead of 2d
2, They are much faster than tanks
3, they can safely rearm at a base to their 100% effectiveness, while tanks can’t (and they have to get to a 4, friendly base to get back a single crew member while they cant move)
5, They cant effectively defend against planes, while planes are exactly that. point and click. If you say otherwise, you are either blatantly lying, or don’t understand the game. i used CAS in the recent times for research, and while i am one of the worst pilots, getting kills with CAS is much easier than playing a B1 ter in a full downtier. Like orders of magnitude easier.
6, CAS can decide matches easily, whereas a team that would have won the game now has literally no chance of winning.
7, CAS can get multiple (even 10+) kills at once, or is just a few seconds. Please name me any tank, that can do it consistently, and without the fear of risking their own vehicle!
8, SAPP is in fact, NOT a counter. Good luck hitting a bomber from 4km, when your shells self destruct at ~2km… Good luck against a plane, when they many times don’t die even if a 155mm HE proxy shell explode a few meters away, yet an SPAA dies to a much smaller warhead from that distancee.
At higher BR, CAS also just outranges SPAA, especially, when they just can’t lock onto anything beyond 2-3 km.
And this is just a few.
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That is factually incorrect, the Pantsir and ADATS far outrange the laser guided munitions that can be carried by planes in it’s tier
That is a half truth, if you reach the stage of CAS curbstomping you, it’s because your team most likely collapsed in the first place, there’s more underlying issues such as map design and vehicle damage models, it isn’t just CAS OP pls nerf.
I do agree with that, and I don’t believe there’s a place for giant bombs in Ground RB.
duh
It literally IS a counter, sure, lower tier SPAA requires more skill, but at higher tiers it’s more balanced. The 155mm proxy shell is another underlying issue, bad modelling has artificially made CAS “strong” we need gaijin to properly model shells and reduce the reliance in RNG to get a kill, this happens a lot in CAS aswell. With tanks eating entire bombs because of the buggy damage model.
oh yeah, 2 can maybe do. They are still worthless against any CAS player who knows what they are doing…
Sure. When your team holds a cap, and then someone with 0.5 tank K/D just pushes a button and kills all your team, and the enemy just moves into the cap, and you have no chance taking it back…
Just 2 that i made a video about.
Multiple small ones can do that too…
Or even a single smaller one, onto a cap. Or at 2 tanks repairing. I wounder why nobody tends to help with repairing. Maybe, just maybe because it is a big “hey bomber, please bomb us” sign over them…
Sure buddy. That’s why you have 2 (yes, two) SPAA with positive K/D against planes… And with a big chunk of other SPAA, you have more tank kills than air.
So maybe stop lying.
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I do not play low tier, that’s why,
Removing or limiting bombers would be a start, but it would be dumb removing CAS altogether, this is supposed to be combined arms
A good AAA player will dunk on any CAS anyday, but people like to stay in the spawn. I myself like to first spawn a Tunguska or Pantsir and shoot down heli rushers and planes. If people put thought into their gameplay, perhaps the issue would be smaller.
Yet Air is a standalone mode. I personally don’t ask for the entire removal of planes. I just want a second mode without them.
Because they literally can’t move on most maps. Yes, some SPAA are good against tanks, but not frontally. They are just ducks for both tanks and CAS.
And a good SPAA maybe. the issue is that even a braindead CAS player can annihilate an enemy team.
I have 100s, if not 1000s of screenshots of player’s first page of their stats, that either tried to kill me with CAS, or killed me with it.
I almost finished a Java program that can grab their kill and death numbers to average them.
My bet is that their average K/D is somewhere around 0.5 and 0.75.
And it would not go away.