Approximately 245 days to finish US Air Rank VI

that is not a complete tech tree though. not by definition.
by you personal goals maybe. but its VERY disingenuous to claim them completed when they are objectively not.

somehow i doubt that. judging by the amount of battles you have in each vehicle.
just look at this:

in all the vehicles below rank 5 (except two) you have less than 20 on 4 and single digits on the rest.
now lets pretend you used the premium A-5C to unlock those. that means that all that earned RP didn’t go to the higher tier vehicles. not only that but you MUST have bought the premium the VERY early into that tech tree to farm RP with it. so you don’t even close to have the normal experience that other players have when unlocking tech trees the F2P way, giving you even less say in the matter.

and wow. i just noticed. you only have one rank 5 in this list, meaning you have unlocked the rest without ever playing them.
you entire service record looks so off. like way off. wtf.

i have so extremely many more battles than you for ANY given nation. i have had premium account for about 75% of my time as a player, granted i don’t use premium vehicles but i use boosters like any other player would and still needed vastly more games and RP gained in total to unlock the entire Swedish tech tree. and not for a lack of skill. my average lifetime score in ground RB is 1473 against your 841.
Jesus Christ…

It’s not 100%ing the tech tree, we’ll agree on that.
Completion isn’t necessarily 100% though.
I’m to the end of each tech tree, and have every vehicle I want from them including their end vehicles.

A-5C only got me to around BR 9.0 then I used those primarily to get the rank 7s, and I used the rank 7s to get the rank 8s.

Also premium account time doesn’t show up in vehicle research stats.

I don’t play vehicles I don’t like or got burnt out of, simple as.

I also almost exclusively used RP and SL boosters with air RB, almost never for ground RB.
My Swedish tech tree up until the purchase of J35XS, which was the patch AJS-37 was added, was purely tech tree grind. I used J35XS to get me Mig-21Bis and JA-37C, then I stopped using it.

We can talk in detail on Discord if you want and I can explain all my tactics/methods of grind.
I can illustrate what vehicles I stopped playing at what times.
Like the M18 I spaded ~2017 then never played again until 2022.
A lot of information I learned I kept to myself.

Second game, got Red Topped by a Sea Vixen. Time played was 2 minutes 45 seconds.

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The rewards looking juicy. But yea, gotta keep repeating. That’s just 1 base, soon can try for 2 bases or when ya use the B-57B, can get some air kills too after dropping the payload on bases for extra rewards.

This is why people fight over bases in top tier a lot. It’s just very effective on grinding the TT. Due to bases being stolen by faster jets, people started using FFAR rockets to destroy bases from a distance.

EDIT: just saw ur 2nd game, 2 games and already researched 17,685 for that F-105D. That’s progress!

yes it is? have you completed a marathon if you don’t run the last 5km and cross the finish line?

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well that just cant be true. you have a TOTAL of 120 games within rank 6 (where BR 9 is and not counting the A-5C as you stated you didn’t use it then). and a TOTAL of around 200 kills within ALL rank 6 jets in China that aren’t premium. there is absolutely no way you unlocked 5 rank 7 planes within those games. 300k RP needed, 5 jets is 1.5mil RP divided by 120 games is 12k RP AVERAGE over those games and given your average score of 722 in air RB that just isn’t possible.

it was to point out that you have no say in RP gain as you don’t play like 95% of all other players do.

ill grant you that SOME of you trees look more normal, but most of it looks so weird. you have like almost no battles in the tech tree vehicles and then a vast amount (comparatively) of games in a premium aircraft.
even like your soviet tree and USA tree that look the most normal (and that you had more than 50 vehicles in both before 2018) when you look at the lower tiers there is almost no games in any of the planes and when you find an outlier that suddenly has like 100 + games and you check it, wouldn’t you know it! its a premium!
i don’t think you have EVER played this game like a f2p player.
so you can’t add to the discussion as if you know how much RP a regular player earns.

ohhhh no no no no. i already know. math don’t lie. you buy premiums and grind those till you unlocked the higher tier vehicles.
the only thing i’m remotely interested in seeing is the purchase and balance history in your Gaijin store.

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like, i just looked at your most played games in planes over all time and in the top 20 nine of them are premium. and most of the ones that aren’t premium are from USA or Soviet

I can tell you what I intentionally and unintentionally ground out using premium vehicles:
China air.
Unintentionally Britain air [Sea Vixen].
Unintentionally USA [A2D in simulator battles].
Unintentionally Soviets [T-55AM-1].
Intentionally Ju-288 [mostly in sim].

At least half of my premiums in top 20 are cause I really like the vehicle.
Wyvern I didn’t research anything with really cause I was playing it researching significantly higher things.
KV-1E was purchased in late 2022 as a unique tank to play, researched only vehicles added in 2023 onward really.
M60A1 DC Ariete was purchased when I already had OF-40.
Type 74G was purchased when I already had Type 74E.
Tiger 2 SLA was purchased when I was already at 7.X Germany.

Your Ju288 has 17 sim battles and 126 RB battles. so no not “mostly sim”. (same with A2D-1)

USA air

your USA air looks the most normal (but not really normal enough) the majority planes has single digit games and a few planes with 20 games and 2 planes with 60 each but then suddenly you have 140 RB battles in the AU-1 and 112 RB (only 17Sim so no not “mainly sim” here either) in the A2D-1 then at rank 6 and upwards its starts to look way more normal.

Japan air

single digit games for almost all planes until H8K3 that has 69 RB battles. then you have 3 normal planes used to grind more around rank 3-4 with around 60 battles each and then 77 battles in the F-86F-40 and then sort of normal from there

Italy air

looks sort of normal but with odd progression and then 142 RB battles in F-104S TAF.

France air

starts of immediately with the pallier’s and 14 RB games then sorft of normal through rank 2-3 and then 71 RB games in the S.O.8000 (together with one normal plane at 108 RB battles) and then quite normal from there.

Swedish air

looks very normal but you still have the most games in the lower ranks in the VL pyörremyrsky at 39 RB games and then 56 games in the J35XS (which is quite low compared to the other planes in this tree but still)

Israel air

immediately 88 games in the spitfire and then 92 in the kfir C.2

USSR air

there is nothing “unintentional” about having almost zero games in all the planes below rank 3 but 33 games in the I-153P untill you unlocked a plane you liked and had 173 games in the normal IL-2M type 3 and 82 games in the I-185 (M82). then its very empty untill 175 games in the SU-25K

Britain air

again nothing “unintentional” as you have 2 planes below rank 4 with 30 games each and then 338!!! in the Wyvern S4 and 265!! in the Sea Vixen that just cannot be unintentional.

Now onto ground:

USA ground

i surprisingly normal start (but 215 RB games in the M4A2?) and a bit to low numbers i thought, then oh, 215 games in the XM1(GM) and 114 in the M60 AMBT and 103 in the M1A1 AIM and 86 in the Merkava. all of which are att the top end of numbers of games in their rank.

Germany ground

looks sort of normal with tens and twenties here and there and then 191 in the normal Jagdpanzer IV and then the number are VERY low until 50 games in the KW I C 756 (r) and then low numbers again untill the panzerbehfelsvagen VI P with 104 games together with the normal panther II at 107 games and then 262!! games in the Tiger II (H) Sla.16 then sort of normal until 113 games in the C2A1.

(getting tired of writing out all the names of the premiums so will just write rank and number of games onward)

USSR ground

72 games premium rank 2, 242 games in a normal rank 3 (rest at or below rank is in single digits or some tens) sort of almost normal until 206 games in premium rank 6 and 447 games premium rank 6. there is no way that is unintentional as almost all other tanks around there have like 50 games each until rank 7.

Britain ground

rank 2 18 games. single digits or tens until 128-85-93 games in 3 different normal rank 4 tanks (54 games in premium rank 4 here as well) then sort of normal but two more premiums with 56 rank 5 games and 76 rank 7 games.

Japan ground

immediately 180 games in rank 3 premium and 121 in one normal rank 3 then basically empty until 193 games in rank 6 premium

China ground

sort of normal but all rank 6 and 7 are all premium 28-78-86 games respectively.

Italy ground

starts with 68 games in one normal, a bit odd but sure. then low numbers until 58 and 43 games in two premium rank 3 and then 54 and 183 games in two rank 5 premiums. like your ENTIRE rank 6 has a total of 48 games.

France ground

starts sort of normal, (a tiny 12 games in a premium rank 1) but kind of few games in general. rank 2 two have 3 premiums with 11-11-13 games respectively then normal with two mixed in 61 and 44 games rank 5 premium with lots of tanks around the same number games.
France has been your most normal tree so far.

Sweden ground

starts of with 22 games in rank 1 premium. then looks extreamly normal until the higher ranks where you have 75 games in a rank 5 premium and 119 games in a rank 7 premium with almost no games in the other rank 6 - 7 or 8 vehicles (you have only played 1 rank 7 and its a premium and one rank 8 which is a premium).

Israel ground

is sort of nuts because you immediately have 92 games in Rank 4 (where it starts) and one normal vehicle with 32 games and the rest are single digits (but you own a rank 6 premium with 7 games so far but haven’t played any games in any rank 5 or 6 normal vehicle)

Like holy shit dude. i don’t think you have any sort of normal progression in any of your trees.
your experience with this game is so different from the vast majority that you have absolutely NO say in how RP gain feels.
the way you say you bought them is not realistic as you have almost no other games in the vehicles around them so you HAVE to have used them to unlock further ranks. math doesn’t lie. get off your high horse.

Su-25K was purchased long after I had largely completed Soviet tech tree having Mig-27K, Mig-23, etc. only missing the Yak line.
I had Mig-27K within a week of its release in 2021 already having Mig-27M expert crewed before hand.
A2D…

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I had US air completed since F-4E and before F-4J was added, and it’s been continually completed ever since.
Japan I used R2Y2 and Kikka to get my next rank vehicle… T-2. Singular. I’d use that to get F-4EJ.
Then F-4EJ to get EJ Kai.
Italy I used AMX to get rank 8s.
France is pure tech tree pretty much. SO8000 barely did anything especially since that was a late purchase.
Pyorremyrsky was purchased after I was to SAAB-105G.
Yeah the Spitfire got me to the jets, then nothing but tech tree.
Sea Vixen I purchased to have fun with, I wasn’t even trying to grind the UK tech tree, it just happened…
KW1C was purchased within the last 2 years, long after I had Leopard 2A5.
T-55AM-1 same situation as Sea Vixen, I just wanted to play it. Getting stuff was a bonus.
Chi Nu 2 only started getting used with the correct BR of tech tree. Same with Type 74G. Otherwise tech tree to their BRs.
Yep, I’m 1 tank away from actively playing rank 6 in Italy.

So grinding with tech tree vehicles means I have no say in how RP gain feels?
So according to your post… only people with premium accounts and only using premium vehicles have a say… way to gatekeep dude…
You’re right math doesn’t lie, which is weird that you’re forgetting I was running up to 60+k RP an hour in a tech tree vehicle known as Yak-28, dropped down when maps got bigger.

exact opposite to what i said. like completely. how you twisted it into this i have no clue.

the rest of you post is anecdotal with no real evidence to the fact.
and that image of a match makes me wonder what you are trying to prove? its a premium so you are just further proving my point.

Your post was confusing at the end, hence the question, then how your post was read by someone that grinds tech trees primarily using tech tree vehicles.

how? like, explain it to me like i’m 5 years old how you read that part to mean what you thought.

I primarily grind using tech tree vehicles cause spading bonuses, and spading vehicles I want spaded.
I learned meta research methods irrelevant of the vehicle being premium or not.
Yes, I could back in the day get 24,000 RP in one match using A6M5 Ko.
I however could also get 12,000 RP using R2Y2.
I could get 15,000+ RP in a match using Yak-28 when smaller maps were in rotation.
Closer to modern times: 50,000 in sim.

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Spading one vehicle gives you just enough RP to research another vehicle.
Learning the methods of progressing is far more helpful than using a premium vehicle.

Objectively not true as i have shown. the number of obtained RP from premium vehicles is substantial. as well as the number of matches played in tech tree vehicles ±2 BR of a majority of your premiums being significantly lower meaning they didn’t contribute to RP.
only about 1/3 of your vehicles are spaded.

sure, but you still mostly used premiums for unlocks. method does not matter here.

could does not equal most of the time, 42 matches played, 95k RP earned is roughly 2,000 RP per game average.

39 games 33k total earned. average 850RP per game.

122 games, 131kRP average 1,050RP per game average.

not really, you instantly almost double your RP gain when using premium.


Compare Yak-28B and Be-6 both bombers. 45 games and 185k RP in rank 3 VS 71 games and 140k RP in rank 5.

you also completely ignored my post and started rambling about something that had nothing to do with my question.

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the alleged RP reductions

That didn’t happen anyways, was a bunch of nonsense, and now we wait for the RP increases whilst we get this pitiful skill bonus stuff.

No, you didn’t show anything.
All you did was push a conjecture.
Tell me how I can grind all of the Soviets in 2022 when I had all but the end of the Yak line in 2021?
I mostly used tech tree vehicles.

33,405 x 3.92 vehicle modifier = 130,947RP before end-match multipliers.
A6M5 Ko: 95775 x 5.15 vehicle modifier = 493,241RP before end-match multipliers on base RP.
F-4EJ 430,417 base RP x 5 vehicle multiplier = 2,152,085 RP before end-match multipliers.
T-2 that I used to get the F-4EJ: 94653 base RP x 4.28 = 405,115RP before end-match multipliers.

You claim to have done the math but forgot the vehicle modifiers.

what information am i missing?

i never said or claimed any specific years or timeframes of that sort. i can’t check when what vehicle was unlocked. what i can see is the lack of games on surrounding vehicles in ±2 Ranks and then a lot of games on a premium, where else would the RP have come from to unlock all of those vehicles?

you didn’t though? i can see the number of games played on each individual vehicle…

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how would you reasonably expect me to believe that you have unlocked all of rank 1 and two with close to zero games on almost all of them? and then have one premium with 33 games and 28k earned as well as this:


a premium with Sim earnings of 153k RP

95% sure that that is not how it works, will get back to you when i’ve done some testing.

you still haven’t answered my original question. still on something unrelated to that question.

Amount of battles means nothing.
Mirage 3C was spaded in 75 battles then never played again. 68632 base RP x 4.64 = 318,452 RP before post-match multipliers.
F-5A was spaded in 73 battles then never played again. 78290 x 4.76 = 372660 RP before post-match multipliers.
Those are the best examples you can look at since I’ll never play those vehicles ever again in air RB.

You have a total amount of games in rank 1 USSR air of 43 games. There is absolutely NO WAY you unlocked all of rank 1 and one rank 2 in only 43 games. i’m not gonna do the math again because i’m tired of trying to prove anything to you since you are just going to dismiss it with anecdotal evidence that has no other proof than your words.

and you STILL have not answered my question and continue to avoid it.

Okay, here’s your flaw… you need to check arcade battles for me old stuff.
15,918 RP before post-match multipliers.
Plenty of RP to get me into rank 2, which it did.
KV-2 has 27556 x 1.24 = 34,169 RP from it alone before post-match multipliers.
All before me having premium account since I only touched arcade ground a few times since getting premium, and almost never with the low stuff. So I left out the premium bonus here.

you really want me to do this?
rank 1 has no multipliers.
your entire rank 1 USSR ground RB AND AB (zero battles in sim) has a total of 20k RP in non premium tanks. that is just enough to unlock 6 of the cheapest rank 1 tanks but NOT a rank 2 on top of that.

then you have 4k extra from a premium, still not enough to unlock a rank 2. (4k off) so you MUST have bought a rank 2 premium before you even unlocked a rank 2 vehicle in that tree. (and dot say “oh i spaded the vehicles” no… you get 700 RP for fully spaded reserve and only 600 RP for fully spaded lowest rank which you couldn’t even have done since you unlocked the last two vehicles of those 6)
aaaand wouldn’t you know it, you then have 63k RP earned in a rank 2 premium and 13k RP in another rank 2 premium.

and even if you did magically unlock a rank 2 with that. your first row rank 2 vehicles have these total earnings:
1600-1200-3300-1300-5000
enough to unlock one more rank one tank but NOT a second rank 2 even combined they together only unlock one and a half (sure two with modifiers) extra rank 2 vehicles. (which isn’t possible since you have not unlocked them yet).
there are A LOT of gaps where the RP MUST have come from a Premium vehicle since you yourself say: