It wouldn’t be so bad if it had 7Es just regular ones tbh
It has 4x Aim-9Js. Given the 4x 7E2s are rarely usable
Su-17s are more dangerous than that with 6x R-60Ms
They go vertical because there is no F-4E, they would stop doing that if there was a reason to stop.
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I wouldn’t say rarely usable lol, so many players are up decently high enough to get a lock and nuke them, it would perform about the same as it does in Air RB currently
Not to mention people constantly sleep on the Agile eagle kit
Also I wouldn’t say people would stop, but it would definitely cause a decrease because one side literally has supremacy over any sort of height advantage, (this applies to the Mig 25PD too)
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No to both things you said there,
What?
Agreed,with him saying a Su-17 is more dangerous lol, it’s not
But he is sorta right about going high, a lot of people would avoid going up which baits them into fighting a fairly nimble jet with a mean gun and 4x 9J, it would shift the balance a lot
You compare 4 rear aspect missiles with 4 fox-1 missiles that most of the time are not useful with 6 all aspect missiles that sometimes turn like crazy?
For now Soviet have superiority with the Mig-25 and Mig-23M and there is nothing to counter them
6x High-G All-aspects vs 4x low-G rear-aspects. That math is pretty clear.
Definetly more dangerous than any other all-aspect slinger at that BR range which are all subsonics.
Su-17/22s are fast aircraft, with all but one having very large CM counts.
Compared to literally any other ground attacker, they are way larger threat than most. Only thing more dangerous is probably the under BRed Mig-21BIS
No SARH, no reason to stay in ground clutter
SARH, reason to stay in ground clutter.
At the moment, they can just go straight up, because flares will deal with any IR threat instantly
Eh a terrible flight platform with 6 very close range missile versus a high alt air superiority dogfighter with 8 versatile missiles is a better description lol let’s not down play the phantom.
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not only that but russia gets like 50 vehicles in that br range plus vehicles that actually carry good loadouts, and i feel like if the f8e crusader was in the same gen at the same time with the f14, shouldnt it have somewhat good radar?
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Yes but most battles take place low
Tbf then the F-5 has to go, the F-5E is the only reason I stay low rn since I can barely outrun them on the deck but at alt they don’t lose speed nearly as fast as any other jet. Giving one side both a UFO sky rat with laser beam guns and a multirole dogfight platform that can lock down the sky is a bit overkill tbh
It might be the better fighter.
But the argument was that 8x Missile = OP in NE.
That isnt the math though. Because 50% of those cant be used against anything flying below 1500 ft.
Where 99.99% of players are located.
So its really only 4x Aim-9Js.
R-60Ms are way better than Aim-9Js
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Not entirely I still go high to hunt for people but mainly to get away from M163 that aren’t spotted just instantly ripping me apart which is too common
Sure, or nerf them down to IRL performance.
I mean it’s the same for the Mig 25PD, expect 2/3 of its kit is only good at high alt, it can’t multirole tho
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And that is the only thing that would probably be stopped by the F-4Es.
Which is what I said in my original comment on it
But I see plenty of Mig-25s diving onto targets and getting kills with the R-40TD and R-60Ms because there are a lot of aircraft that are vulnerbale to them
Not gonna happen, so I’d rather see them gone or they stay and the F4E isn’t allowed.
Having two of the most cancer vehicles at the BR limit for 11.0 would make nobody want to play Soviets and I’m stuck always allied to them
The Mig-25 are better in BVR they will just have to be more careful
Not entirely a few other vehicles go up, especially nuke Jags for some reason, F-5E rats, also Varks but those are the most common, slow vehicles stay low but your average fast vehicles go high
Most of the people staying high up are the US because they aren’t scared of the Mig 25. Soviet side for the most part mainly just has the Mig 25 up high because nobody else wants to let F-5Es catch them since they’ll match other vehicles like migs in speed up their compared to on the ground
It’s even when taking in the IR missiles, but factoring the E-2s just blow it out
I meant in a scenario when near the ground where you would merge and lob the sparrows
Son, are you serious? it loses to F-4E 90% of the time