xd Rafale being on top of everything incl. Su-30SM2 and AESA Typhoon is funny
Until such time the Typhoon gets better weapons (or at the very least, its existing weapons are performing correctly) and a number of fixes, such as fixing BOL, it is weaker in a 1v1 fight by quite a bit. But definetly has a path forward to be on par, if not straight better.
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you might want to add for the changes to the soviet MiG-29s now since the 9.13 is a 29G copy paste and the “new” 9.12 is like the previous mig-29s
I bet the Typhoon would be an equal to it if Aim-120s had an upgraded seeker, and were slightly better kinematically. Right now all Aim-120s feel bad at long range because everything is easily notched, or bad at close range since they turn too poorly.
It’s an equal to the Su-30SM2, and both are worthy of being a step above everything else.
All seekers have the same notch gate, so all missiles will probably feel bad lol.
Yes even mica seeker has the same notch gate. Just better POV seeker in a sense, that allows it to maintain a better relock rate than normal missiles, same goes for 120D and Pl-12A. That IOG drift allows them to actually not drift off target and the radar of the missile seeker can have a higher chance of relocking through datalink.
That certainly would help.
I dont necessarily have issue with this, except for the fact that Aim-9M are just… useless.
Su-30SM2:
- 14 missiles, 12 of which are R-77-1. Can literally shoot down every jet with <12 and still have missiles left over to secure kill
- 240 deg radar, can launch well beyond the notch and still guide them in.
Rafale:
- Still has a 140 deg radar, so cannot guide while in a notch.
- 2nd best dogfighter behind Eurofighter
- Straight-line speedster, same as Eurofighter
- Can get into a notch really quickly, same as Eurofighter
- 8 MICA EM, which are only useful in close range where people have less time to accurately notch
🤔 Yeah, this is definitely above the AESA Typhoons and Su-30SM2. They both should be at the same BR, stop with the nonsense 😂
Gripend D same BR as gripen C yeah sure, and now we think R darters deserve lower br mhm sure, oh and Su-30SM2 with bad RWR angles yeah balanced, and so many other issues that needs to be addressed
F-15E/I claim, it doesn’t even have a good radar at 14.0 right now and can’t see anything, so we should place it against AESA radars, fairs
i feel like even if we decompress it they would just recompress it again with more stronger 4.5 gen fighters and 5th gens we need some way to force decompression as they do it to slowly
and its not even just toptier every tier is having compression in every mode its a epidemic
We’re approaching modern craft very quickly. There’s only so much compressing they can do before there’s no stronger planes to add.
yeah true there gonna be spouting nonsense for sources on the F22
Are they not basically the same?
That is a fair point, but I don’t completely know how they perform to make a solid guess.
It’s easily tied for the best plane in the game alongside the Rafale, and I don’t think you can prove otherwise.
I will admit the top BRs are a bit too compressed compared to everything else, but mostly because there are so few planes to work with. Either way, they are now 1.0 below top tier, rather than just 0.7 like they are now. They can’t really go down either since the F-15Cs and other top level (current) 13.7s sit.
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Gripen D has no gun and worse dog fighting ability, in other words it can’t do anything in close range. R-darters are trade off range vs G pull. on F-15E/I can get buff either in missiles/radar or something fitting tbh
could go 14.3 with your decompression, its in a wierd spot. Still 95% the performance of Gripen C but without the gun so would struggle in WVR
Worked so far for me on kfir.
But i wouldnt bother with 20km+ shot outside of like being at 8km+ alt
r-73s really don’t help when its main issue is dealing with ARH spam
F-5TH’s top speed is abysmal against the other 13.3s. Especially since it only gets 2 Python 3s. I love playing the F-5TH but hate when someone just runs, since the acceleration is also terrible compared to the rest of the listed 13.3s. I feel like a better place for the F-5TH would be 13.0 as it would deal with aircraft with “weaker” ARH and IRCCM. The F-5TH at 13.3 would force you to play incredibly defensively to stand a chance. The Python 3s can also be easily flared away; the only thing keeping it good is the 40g turn :)
I’m gonna be real anyone thinking the Darter Gripen should be a lower BR is actually insane lol. Its the best missile for the flight model as it’s a dogfighter, the Darters literally compliment its playstyle. The idea the D model should be the same BR as the standard C is very silly lol (that’s the same logic that made gaijin out the F16 OCU at 13.7) I’d say it’s basically a the 3rd worst 13.7 given you a have okay flight performance but no missiles that can properly benefit from your flight performance not to mention no gun and less fuel overall meaning you need to bring more fuel and thus more weight and only having 4 fox 3 is just a exceptionally mediocre vehicle all in all
Also the idea you’d put the Finnish F-18C at the same BR as the D is insanely poor choice of balancing that to me it makes the majority of the balance changes moot personally.
R darter Gripen is the best Gripen C lol, it’s pretty ridiculous how many people scream it should be a lower BR lmao
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Fair point, I’ll change it and the Gripen Ds BR.
Atleast I won’t vehemently defend everything unlike others here.
Valid point, I’m moving it down.
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