AMX-10P has APDS at 5.7 lol
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those look alikes like SP12-3 or modern luchs
Spoiler
all use the RH202 cannon including thermals etc
They are to strong at lower br, with the moblity etc they perform stronger then the R3 T20.
And would solve nothing at 3.3-5.3 , so still a massive gap.
Thats the problem, we point out the problem to you, which could be easily be solved with a competent sub tree.
But instead of acknowledging a major problem for the germany tree, you are grapping for straws for possible solutions that do not include other nations, when they dont realy fit the br gaps as solution. Even when we propably are more aware of those possible vehicles and why they propably wouldnt fit into these brs
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@Mahiwew and i am not saying either this is a high priority thing that absolutly needs to be fixed now, other nations have their own even bigger light problems specialy for top tier or like israel trough the whole tree. which should be addressed first.
But doesnt change germany has the problem and like i said, you pretty much are trying to swipe it under the rag like everyone else , instead of realy acknowledging why a sub tree might be able to help out germany as well
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I am simply naming some options off the top of my head after you asked me to.
Of course I am going to name German vehicles if that is what is asked of me. Not sure what I’m being framed for here.
In any case, options are out there beyond what I named.
This, of course, does include foreign products, but my point is that Germany has their own alternatives.
And of course, we cannot ignore the Sd.Kfz.251/2 being a beast at whatever tier it finds itself at /j
Of course, I recognize that.
A bigger problem does not nullify another.
It’s honestly shocking how underrepresented German light vehicles generally are, regardless of the tree’s overall health compared to others.
yes and we , as the specialist can tell you they would not solve the problem and would be to high of a br to solve the issue
seriously they arent, germanys ww2 strategy did not include lights and our cold war option are to high in capability
yes and know tell me, which foreign vehicles could be possible, if whatever we suggest instantly everyone gets pissed for germany even suggesting it, the blasphemy of germany even considering they need sth at lower br. We could suggest switz, argentianian , dutch, denmark whatever solutions and you guys would instantly start fighting us again.
Do you know why u didnt know about the issue? Because the german playerbase doesnt want to fight a losing war at multiple fronts. A lot of us are mostly concerned for top tier thats why it is our main concern. But that doesnt mean the whole german tech tree is without false. We just are tired, because whatever we do, we are in the wrong either way
That is always appreciated, sure… but at the same time, opening up your discourse with “nah” to a possible solution of a long standing problem pre-shapes our opinion on what you can bring to the table on the topic.
This, of course, does include foreign products, but my point is that Germany has their own alternatives.
That’s funny, going back to the original goal of this thread… Germany in fact does not have their own alternatives to fixing the air tree at higher BRs, they simply do not exist & never will. That is why various propositions have been put forward, i.e
- Dutch subtree
- Swiss subtree
- (and now) Argentinian subtree
All with strong ties to Germany, and all meant to fix concurrent as well as predominately future oriented predicament the TT has found itself in, or simply put, not being in a position to fill out gaps in their TT with locally produced/designed stuff. So how come each & every time we put forward a solution, we get met with salt of people who don’t even play Germany, have no clue those issues even exist, and act like we’re fine both short & long term - you know what term is usually used for people like that? Hypocrites.
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They should make an eastern Europe tree
Major no
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What would be the issue with that
I would love to see all the Eastern European nations in game
we still waiting for you to adress those
Because CZ + PL would work very well together and Yugoslavia could independently. The others could be sorted wherever most appropriate.
I had quit caring for that conversation and decided to go non-verbal
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so you do not care about germanys tree problems like the light tank gap i told you about and now are sweeping it under the rug, exactly like i said? great just great
That is what you make of it and is a very rude way of summarizing what I said after the conversation we had.
but isnt it what you are doing?
i asked u what are we supposed to do, when there is no german option
and you decided to ignore it, i am geniunly asking what shall we do?
We do not have german options for those br gaps
Neither are we apparently allowed to ask for other nations vehicles. You claim Dutch for benelux, switzerland can be its own tree, argentinia part of a future LATAM one.
But who can we look to for solutions when you guys deny us any possible solutions?
I had already answered to that and your last messages before this continuation had summarized the conversation.
I see no reason why you expected a response or felt so entitled to it as to ask for my attention after it was finished.
With that I have nothing more to say here, have a good one.
so sweeping it under the rug like i said, you said
foreign products would be possible. but you fight as at every turn we even suggest anything.
Basicaly we have no nation or anything to point to, while everyone else apparently is allowed to.
Thanks for nothing i guess. you always act like you got the moraly high ground, but when someone points out serious problem that arent limited to air top tier but even low tier, you dodge the matter and dont want to even name the nation you would find most acceptable as a solution filler.
That is just sad man
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@Godvana
btw did you try to get this accepted into the real suggestion forum thread?
There is multiple other sub tree suggestions like this arent there?
Already seen people wanting Switzerland and Dutch sub-trees for Germany and both of those seems more likely to happen compared to Argentine
