There are two airfield campers.
The aggressor & defender.
Poor AA protection causes more defensive camping due to it causing more aggressor camping.
Stronger airfield anti air causes less airfield campers.
You know - my view has always been this: if there’s a single bomber circling his airfield and he’s winning on tickets then hes perfectly entitled to do so. His team worked hard for that. Whether you like it or not it’s part of the game. Does Generation Z have so much of an attention deficit?! Either the other team should work out a way to get him (usually pounce on him all at once) or ground pound. There’s always a way, and it makes the game more interesting when working as a team like this.
The only time it is fruitless to camp is if you’re way behind on tickets. You may as well just land and J. Sadly there are plenty of players who will report you for Passive Behaviour if you circle your airfield; this reeks of impatience or the lack of a co-ordinated plan to win as a team. I’ve seen what poor AF flak does to games and it isn’t pretty. In fact, it makes the game plane boring.
Actually the only Passive Behaviour that should be punished is being AFK, but Gaijin doesn’t distinguish.
There is a whole entire game mode where you can play with your joystick and not be at a disadvantage.
Mouse aim players aren’t toxic towards joystick users because they use a joystick; it’s because that most of the self proclaimed joystick users completely fail at engaging any player that isn’t practically stalling out, and then when they do get tailed they preemptively run to their airfield to time the game out while being verbally abusive in chat.
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Interesting? So you think it’s generally only joystick players that are abusive?! I beg to differ. Because we can’t do the fancy stuff that you lads can do we have to play rather more conservatively, and are more often than not lambasted for doing so. If I can win on tickets and I’m the last player on my team I WILL NOT come away from the airfield and take on multiple mouse aimers who try to get me into a head-on with their lazer guns. Remember that if you are the last man and you have at least 2 on the other team, they can see what sector you are in.
And there is an entire mode where you can play and not be at a disadvantage. It’s called AB.
You constantly flame people in all chat because they kill you using mouse aim.
I have seen you flame people while camping your AA while you had a ticket deficit. You were not going to win but you just used game mechanic to waste other players time while taunting them from safe zone.
I think it is pretty telling that you practically refuse to play sim. Heck I only started playing it this year and I already have spent more time fully controlling my plane using a joystick than you have. My guess if it came down to a 1 v 1 in full real controls you would not have a chance on spite of all your “experience”.
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Do I? when was this? I’ll certainly remember to flame you next time I see you.
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Can’t say I’ve NEVER done that but it doesn’t make much sense, depends if someone is being arsey I suppose. I will give as good as I get though.
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Have you seen my stats? I’ve played a fair amount of sim. I just happen to like the RB mode more.
But then you’re way off topic with these attacks. And… there we go with the mouse aimer pretending to be a joystick player. So predictable. If you really were then you’d know the issues. But I guess you haven’t devoted enough time to the game.
Since you haven’t been here long, you may not have realised that way back there was a time where there WAS some control equality (i.e. it was bearable). Some time after 1.23 mouse aimers were given “extra manoeuvrability” which totally changed things. This is why most of ‘my kind’ see benefit in airfield flak. It gives us some respite. It’s okay for you, your mouse and instructor though.
Stop trying to draw this thread off-topic and contribute something useful rather than trolling.
What extra maneuverability? It’s well known that full real controls have more maneuverability than mouse aim.
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Screenshots of your toxic behavior come up in discord from time to time.
I literally watched a replay where you did just that. You camped airfield while having massive ticket deficit. You let Base AA whittle down a 4 to 1 advantage for you and even refused to engage the last guy the second he pointed his plane towards you even though you had a massive altitude advantage at that point.
You have barely any experience in Sim.
My sim stats
Your sim stats
I have killed 32x more players in sim than you have. In fact that majority of your sim kills are named bots and are not even player controlled. I kill twice as many players in sim per month than you do in Air RB. But please do go on about how I only pretend to know how to use a joystick.
Mouse aim does not have extra maneuverability. If you had watched the video I posted or listened to anyone else that actually has experience with both control types you would realize that you are wrong.
But I suspect that you know that you are wrong but just want some cheap excuse to continue to immediately run to your airfield rather than face any potential player on anything resembling equal terms.
PS if you think I don’t play on joystick we can always duel.
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Turn better? Sometimes, yes. A lot of the time, no. GO TRY IT! It’s a complete myth. Of course, you never point out the vast advantages you lot have over us. There’s no point in arguing with you because you don’ t like it pointed out to you.
It takes like one minute to get something like a 109 into test flight with WTRTI and compare turn rates with and without an instructor.
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Yes, you have truly horrid stats, ESPECIALLY for someone playing this game since 2013. That’s just an objective statement.
I don’t care about WT’s past, I care about the now and here. Mouse aim is the default for arcade and realistic. I use a flight stick in Sim, some people prefer mouse joystick. Vast majority of RB players use mouse aim, again don’t care about what the situation was 10 years ago, and I’m very certain that unless we start counting console players as willingly using an inferior control scheme, the amount of joystick users in RB is negligible.
Airfields are already too strong, anyone within 3km of one just dies. By the way, I figured out why you have so many games, but relatively few kills and deaths. You just camp the airfield because playing the game fairly is hard, then you’re gonna wait until they go attack ground targets, you get every possible advantage and if my guesses are right, sometimes you’ll fuck up and die despite again, having every possible advantage.
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That is literally what “passive behavior” is. You’re not actively playing the game, you’re just waiting for someone to get close so you can do a 180 and run straight back into AAA range.
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If anything it’s the other way round because fullreal exceeds the instructor aoa limitations. This is just a skill issue, sorry.
Again and again we tell you why that isn’t a solution. Burning ammo and positioning to cater towards a camper isn’t a solution like you seem to think. Not to mention that a lot of aircraft aren’t capable of that in any significant measure (think piddly 7mms trying to out-compete a camping attacker that can pop tanks and pillboxes, like the do335).
Why don’t campers do this too? Problem solved.
Funnily enough, people can play other classes without camping the AF.
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Wow - all so so wrong! Just because you all say it doesn’t make you right. And I don’t HAVE to agree with you about airfield flak. This isn’t Communism.
And the oh-so elite precussion - Bet you use the mouse in RB. I’m all flattered by your interest in me and in the time you take to try to attack me , yet you won’t shut me up no matter how much you try. I know what I see, have seen and will see. Plenty of others have seen this too. Many are not here now because they have been pushed away by your acidic comments. If a joystick/pad is such a great advantage in RB then why aren’t you all using one there? Black isn’t white, day isn’t night.
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS except you gas lighters. And it has always been so. Using a mouse has turned you all into kill-crazy fighter flying berserkers! And remember - I’ve been there.
Anyone been here long enough to remember when mouse aim was given a little recoil? The complaints were such that Gaijin had to revert to none the very next day! Such realism.
Now back on topic: Gaijin are unlikely to change airfield flak no matter how many of you think it’s a good idea for the reasons I, and others, have stated. I will say it again, it became a non-game when the af flak was dumbed down. It was an absolutely terrible experience for many, namely us, beginners, bombers and badly shot up players coming into land etc. but perhaps we all have skill issues (is that all you can think of?).
Yay! “Skill issues” mentioned by a mouse aimer - I like it! So what’s new?
Actually it isn’t. Passive behaviour is:
- landing on the runway and just sitting there
- being afk and just letting the aircraft fly itself for whatever reason (try being away from a joystick and you will hit the ground at some point)
whereas circling the af (when you are winning) forces the enemy to make a choice.
If you saw me circling the airfield when I had a big ticket deficit it may have been a period where I had tried to land to j out and got pounced on my some bloodthirsty grunt who wanted to kill me. I don’t like to waste anyones time, including mine and will usually ask them to vacate and i will land and J out. Some allow this, some ignore it. There is no point in wasting time if you can’t win - it just doesn’t make sense (I’ve got better things to do, like work, see family or even start another game of WT where my team might just be able to win).
And yes, I am a boomer actually. I was brought up on a joystick. It’s simply ridiculous to say there are no issues with the disparate control methods. Apart from for you of course, someone so determined to prove an apparent fellow joysticker so wrong. And yet plenty have seen this. I guess you must be superman.
I wonder how you’d fare against an elite mouse aimer with your joystick. I don’t think you’d last very long. The mouse has so many advantages. But then you are superman, aren’t you.
By the way, no one said anything about SB, this is an RB thread, so no matter how “superior” you are to me in that mode it’s irrelevant. Well done to you though. However, I prefer this mode. I’m flattered that you cared so much to debunk me. Me, I just can’t be bothered. However, take the plaudits from your comrades here. You seem to have earned them. Well done to you.
Who’'s talking about full real in RB? That would be madness now. I suppose caps going to say he uses full real in RB. If he does he must truly be a genius among us paupers and I bow to his superiority.
The stated turn stats may be correct for the mouse + KB but they are certainly not for anything other. I can only assume that if cap is so good, he flies a single type of aircraft most of the time (probably a yank fighter) and has zeroed his stick in for that particular aircraft. To do that for very aircraft would take hours. Took me 2 hours just to get the Hurricane series to fly the way I wanted them to (skill issue perhaps, mouse aimers?).
Plenty of aircraft I wouldn’t even touch. Many of us hate the I16 because it’s unflyable. Perhaps if you can get it to fly without undulating you could post me your settings cap. For mouse aimers however - an absolute killer (apparently superior in every way to the Me109E - which it wasn’t).
They are expensive, and require more set up; most people are casual and not that competitive
- Not actively engaging in combat is a third one :)
No, no it does not, it just forces them to bleed tickets till you lose, this
A: gives them less score/RP than if they fought you
B: Makes you definitely lose, therefore you lose rewards
3: If you had come and fought you could have won; gained higher rewards.
So you J out as soon as the going gets tough, well done nobody likes you
If you won’t fight, just don’t play. Simple as that.
Nobody cares.
Ok and?
The only issue is that joystick users have the advantage in ARB
If you can fly joystick yeah, yeah you would.
So you can deal with mouse aim.
It’s a well known fact that in competitions and tournaments 90% of players use full real
That’s honestly skill issue. The Hurricane is amazing, even with full real it’s easy to fly
Hear me out here: Learn how to fly it :O
Literally nobody claims this. Me 109 E is better in every way except turn speed.
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Ha ha cant win can I?
You’re all brainwashed to fly with the mouse. Just don’ try to claim the joystick makes things easy because it doesn’t.
Don’t have a joystick? Try a joypad. Most have got one of those. Isn’t it funny that the kids of today think nothing of going out and getting new games for over £30, but when but when it gets down to even buying a cheapish joystick its “can’t do that sunny, too expensive”. There are half decent joysticks out there that are cheap that will enhance your gaming experience. You are being selective in your arguments here of course. This is a game about - well, flying actually. You don’t use a mouse to fly real aircraft.
Passive behaviour? Nope. You have to turn around your airfield (and sometimes wait for the right time to strike out). That’s not being passive.
Sorry, fighting 3 or 4 mouse aimers in fighters doesn’t sound like much fun to me. Now if they’d let me land with no chance of winning then I most always do - if I trust them. Only fools try to take on more than 2 enemy fighters, joystick or not.
“So you J out as soon as the going gets tough, well done nobody likes you”
Again, a selective viewpoint - what do you want me to do if I am on my own and am going to lose? Ah, I take it you want me to CIRCLE THE AIRFIELD (which is basically what this whole thread is about)?
Love it how one of you said I must be crap because I had a poor k/d ratio on the zero. I fly what works best for me and that isn’t really many fighters. Look at the K109 stats. An unpopular aircraft for many, yet I’ve managed to use it quite well thank you very much. Perhaps the Zero doesn’t fly as well for me as it does for you (proves my point again). Selective data to “prove your point”.
“laughs at the advantage part”
Perhaps no one “claims” the I16 is superior but in RB it has its terrible spin characteristics taken away from it. It’s an absolute killer for you guys and performs better, in fact than the 109E as a result.
Someone else who is talking absolute rubbish. Sorry for pointing that out to you. Now you’re all dragging this thread way off topic.
BTW, Can someone post a screenshot or video showing that realistic or full real control can pull better AoA than KB & mouse control on a Bf 109F-4/G-2 or Yak-3?
I can’t do that because my WTRTI settings are broken for somehow :(
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Decent ARB duelist already use joystick on duels since 2019 or 2020.
I have no idea what are you talking about.
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