Well, it’s not just the f-104, the 1.0+ split creates the same outcome in many areas. insert 9.3 vs 10.3 smt/f8e/f5c.
Why do I care about the majority of players who suicide, do u ?
good 4 them cuz the other 90% of time they just clean up the entire game without needing too, but u can beat them easily
go to af safety and leave game lolgottem
it doesn’t even work at high tier for months brah, maybe even a year
It seems those of you who want airfield aa nerfed have gotten their way. I flew over the 2 airfields for approx 5 minutes trying to get away from a typhoon with cannons in a D0217E. I wanted to land and j out, but like the bloodthristy mouse aimer he was, he wouldn’t let me. We flew over the airfields about 4 times - from 3000ft to 300ft. Not once was he touched by ground fire. Perhaps he was cheating, despite what Gaijin say.
And yes I WILL use the airfields under certain conditions, and I make no excuses for it:
1 - if my team have earned the win on tickets and I’m the only one left and badly outnumbered (in a bomber or not).
2 - if enemy dirtbags are buzzing the airfield and wont let me land to j out. I’ve tried to do that before and they just swoop in and take their easy kill. So now I DON’T land because you can never trust the person hovering over the airfield.
3- don’t just assume everyone is using a mouse. Hell, a mouse aimer can out-turn me in a bomber when I’m in a fighter it’s that bad for the joystickers out there. If I’m in a ki-109, even a mouse aimer Hampden with 4000lb of bombs can out turn me! Soo you’re damn right I’m going to use the AF flak if I can. We aren’t all flying equally here.
If you have the superior force and someone is circling their airfield and you don’t want to lose your aircraft then GO ATTACK THE GROUND TARGETS! As mouse aimers, is your only strategy head-ons?
THINK! There is more than one way to win.
Just stay away from the airfields. Or get Gaijin to call this game Fighter Thunder, because there’d be no point in flying anything else if the airfield AA is made ineffective (for the brief period that it was we just got dozens of airfield campers waiting to kill damaged aircraft coming in to land - it was just a race to get to the other teams airfields…)
You can just use mouse aim if you think it’s unfair.
Or switch to sim where there is no mouse aim…except for bomber gunners.
Funny, because FRC will demolish MA players when it comes to turn fights… same plane will turn tighter and rate 1-2sec faster on FRC than on mouse…
Otherwise just go to play sim or something, you’ve been crying on this forum since 2015 about mouse aim while playing a gamemode with mechanics centered around mouse aim all the while having a dedicated mode for people with JS available to you.
my goodness - you mouse aimers are so ill informed. You believe what you want to. But don’t listen to hearsay. Go try if for yourself - if you dare. You know it to be true and that’s why you stick with the beginners tool - which is the mouse. Easy7-peasy, lemon squeezy. Any minor advantages a joystick might have are fully negated by what your instructor does for you (energy retention/helicoptering etc.). I can guarantee you a mouse/keyboard player will always be able to out turn us in similar aircraft.
You have both said things which you somehow think I haven’t heard before? Laughable.
The bottom line is this: you’ve got it easy enough. Airfield flak helps the non-mouse aimers as well as the absolute beginners. Don’t be so churlish as to try and take that away from us. You’ve got it good enough already.
Using realistic joystick gives you a turn rate advantage in quite a few airplanes. It’s such a large difference that the meta strategy for Air RB tournaments is to use realistic joystick controls and force a rate fight against non-real joystick users.
If you are so insistent on playing with a HOTAS just learn to play sim. No need to be toxic towards regular RB players or feel superior because of a control scheme you use.
^The strategy in that case is “unless I have 1000000000m of alt on the enemy I run to my airfield where he can’t engage me or is certain to die right after killing me”.
Local man doesn’t like winning on his own merits and wants the game played for him
Most likely because you’re one of, if not the last one left and they’re 100% coming for you because they want a kill
Also airfield AA is still broken lol, so they’ll be shot down at 2-3km.
Yes, and throw away all my altitude and speed to attack ground targets so the airfield camper can use his massive crutches to get every possible advantage.
No, stop camping and have an actual fight. If you brought the wrong plane that’s on you, land and J out or PLAY. THE. GAME.
Stop camping then. if you can’t play without massive crutches, then I’m just gonna hover somewhere you can’t see me until you leave, and then it definitely won’t be a fair fight.
By the way I just took a look at your stats, and for someone talking in a derogatory manner about “you mouse aimers”, you have some truly horrid stats to back it up.
I mean, over 500 games in a plane as good as the A6M2, yet you only have ~450 kills? With a K/D of 2:1? Same with the P-39N, about half as many games yet in a plane that belongs a full BR higher you’re still only getting 2:1.
Before you complain, actually learn to play the game.
I really have no idea why this dude doesn’t play SBEC even he has joystick and complain about ARB that is basically full of keyboard/mouse or gamepad players.
And he will always stop replying when someone points out that a lot of planes will in fact turn better with the instructor disabled.
That was what happend to me in old forum.
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/375012-airfield-aaa-discussion-thread/&do=findComment&comment=9601531
It is ill-informed mouse aimers that are toxic towards us.
“feel superior”? lol. You just don’t have a clue do you.
I have news for you - I am also a pad player.
Most of you guys have never seen the other side of things and are happy with your “full deflection” mouse and KB aim, so you just go on hear-say.
Turn better? Sometimes, yes. A lot of the time, no. GO TRY IT! It’s a complete myth. Of course, you never point out the vast advantages you lot have over us. There’s no point in arguing with you because you don’ t like it pointed out to you.
There - I replied.
Oh and I started as a mouse aimer. It’s a sterile method of control. I didn’t come here to fly UFOs - maybe you did. But back to the point. Airfield flak is a haven for bombers, joystick (and pad) users and beginners learning the ropes. There’s more to this game than just killing.
Do you ever notice how you lot tend to go for people you think are easy targets first (i.e. look for the joypad sign)? Yep - they are in the same boat as us sadly. Often you will see a joypad iconed player in a far superior aircraft lose to one that is flying a much inferior aircraft. Does that tell you something? Okay, this only means they are using a console account and they may be flying with a mouse, but there’s also a high chance they are not.
Just admit you guys have it much much easier and move on. And don’t try to make it even easier for yourselves. Alternatively, plug a pad or stick in and fly with a control scheme something more akin to the real thing. It’s actually much more enjoyable to do so (if unfair). If I only had the choice of the mouse +KB I’d have dropped WT ages ago.
Oh and it’s certainly not a crime to have a different point of view to the norm either. You will learn that in life. I am not a sheep.
Truly horrid stats? Hello! Joystick user here mr toxic replier.
Btw - I’ve been here since 2013. Nearly all of it on joystick/pad. What you say kind of proves my point doesn’t it. Yet you don’t see it. Just be happy with the plaudits you get for this post from other mouse aimers. Learn to play the game properly? How toxic is that!
I’ll let you into a little secret here. Mouse aim was initially supposed to be only a training control method. Look into WTs past and try to deny that.
And whilst they allow me to fly non-mouse in RB (which was initially a JOYSTICK player dominated mode) then I will do so thanks very much (like many others). Your majority isn’t as big as you think.
Finally - airfield flak = please buff so the game isn’t ruined by enemy base campers praying on vulnerable returning damaged aircraft (especially bombers).
There are two airfield campers.
The aggressor & defender.
Poor AA protection causes more defensive camping due to it causing more aggressor camping.
Stronger airfield anti air causes less airfield campers.
You know - my view has always been this: if there’s a single bomber circling his airfield and he’s winning on tickets then hes perfectly entitled to do so. His team worked hard for that. Whether you like it or not it’s part of the game. Does Generation Z have so much of an attention deficit?! Either the other team should work out a way to get him (usually pounce on him all at once) or ground pound. There’s always a way, and it makes the game more interesting when working as a team like this.
The only time it is fruitless to camp is if you’re way behind on tickets. You may as well just land and J. Sadly there are plenty of players who will report you for Passive Behaviour if you circle your airfield; this reeks of impatience or the lack of a co-ordinated plan to win as a team. I’ve seen what poor AF flak does to games and it isn’t pretty. In fact, it makes the game plane boring.
Actually the only Passive Behaviour that should be punished is being AFK, but Gaijin doesn’t distinguish.
There is a whole entire game mode where you can play with your joystick and not be at a disadvantage.
Mouse aim players aren’t toxic towards joystick users because they use a joystick; it’s because that most of the self proclaimed joystick users completely fail at engaging any player that isn’t practically stalling out, and then when they do get tailed they preemptively run to their airfield to time the game out while being verbally abusive in chat.
Interesting? So you think it’s generally only joystick players that are abusive?! I beg to differ. Because we can’t do the fancy stuff that you lads can do we have to play rather more conservatively, and are more often than not lambasted for doing so. If I can win on tickets and I’m the last player on my team I WILL NOT come away from the airfield and take on multiple mouse aimers who try to get me into a head-on with their lazer guns. Remember that if you are the last man and you have at least 2 on the other team, they can see what sector you are in.
And there is an entire mode where you can play and not be at a disadvantage. It’s called AB.
You constantly flame people in all chat because they kill you using mouse aim.
I have seen you flame people while camping your AA while you had a ticket deficit. You were not going to win but you just used game mechanic to waste other players time while taunting them from safe zone.
I think it is pretty telling that you practically refuse to play sim. Heck I only started playing it this year and I already have spent more time fully controlling my plane using a joystick than you have. My guess if it came down to a 1 v 1 in full real controls you would not have a chance on spite of all your “experience”.
Do I? when was this? I’ll certainly remember to flame you next time I see you.
Can’t say I’ve NEVER done that but it doesn’t make much sense, depends if someone is being arsey I suppose. I will give as good as I get though.
Have you seen my stats? I’ve played a fair amount of sim. I just happen to like the RB mode more.
But then you’re way off topic with these attacks. And… there we go with the mouse aimer pretending to be a joystick player. So predictable. If you really were then you’d know the issues. But I guess you haven’t devoted enough time to the game.
Since you haven’t been here long, you may not have realised that way back there was a time where there WAS some control equality (i.e. it was bearable). Some time after 1.23 mouse aimers were given “extra manoeuvrability” which totally changed things. This is why most of ‘my kind’ see benefit in airfield flak. It gives us some respite. It’s okay for you, your mouse and instructor though.
Stop trying to draw this thread off-topic and contribute something useful rather than trolling.