Okay, So im in a Tornado F3 with only Aim-9Ms because I have my radar off. I cant dogfight anything because i’ve got the worst FM, I cant use AMRAAM without switching my radar on. I haven no HMD or IRST to help find targets. What Am I actually meant to do?
If we are balancing flight models then just move the tornado f3 down to Vietnam tier. It is a modern fighter it has a crap flight model so find a way to get kills with it before the merge.
Im pretty sure the tornado f3 could beat a f4E at 10.7
But the Tornado F3 is NOT at 14.0 aircraft. Its 13.3 and probably should be 13.0 alongside the F4F-ICE.
So if there was a 12.3-13.3 bracket, then this isnt an issue, it will face aircraft it actually stands a chance against like the Su-27 and F4F-ICE. By forcing it to fight 14.0s, it will loose every fight because it is not 14.0 material. By that logic, the F-15A should be 14.0 because it can just third party kills.
Sure, i’ll take the Tornado F3 Late with Aim-9M and AMRAAMs at 10.7, sounds like fun
Well how about this create a 12.7 - 13.3 permanent br so that you never have to face the scary 14.0 aircraft. 12.3 phantoms shouldn’t have to face modern gen 4 fighters. Leave 12.3 out of this. Move the f14 A and mirage 2000 up to 12.7 and call it a day.
Again, no. Now 12.7s are forced to always fight 13.3s and you’d create another set of messy BRs below 12.3 meaning 11.7/12.0s would likely only ever fight 12.3s. Fixed brackets dont work. They would cause more problems than they create.
The solution is something like this;
This way, with the exception of 13.7, every BR gets at least one rotation where it is on top. This rotation could have been implemented 4 months ago and would fix a lot of problems.
Just also need to move some 12.3s to their correct BRs and maybe move a few 13.0s back up to 13.3 and sorted. When 14.3 gets added, there might be a solution available to give 13.7s their own bracket
This is how its been for the past 3 years and its worked fine
11.7 like the mig 23 mld, ja37 and mirage f1 face the scary phantom gr 2 all day. Sign me up
Mig-23MLD is way scarier than the Phantom FGR2 which are both 11.3 and they already do. Why do you think Redfor mostly play 11.3/11.7 brackets. Bluefor doesnt really get anything Mig-23ML/MLD performance until 12.0
Iranian f14 A vs 13.3 doesnt sound bad at all. Mirage 2000 s4 and f16A vs 13.3 doesnt really scare me. Youre talking about numbers as if they are scary. Im talking about planes. Be more specific.
Yep so it balances its self out
Im sorry PD skyflashes isnt considered easy enough game play for you? What do you want an Aim 120?
Skyflash DFs are weaker than R-24Rs
Aim-9Gs are weaker than R-60Ms
FGR2 turns worse than a Mig-23MLD
FGR2 is slower than a Mig-23MLD
FGR2 has worse CMs than the Mig-23MLD.
But despite that fact, the FGR2 is the ONLY 11.3 aircraft that can contend with the Mig-23MLD at 11.3. The US has the F-5E or F-4E (no PD radar), Israel isnt much better and thats about it. If enough people played Britain it would be fine. but thye dont. Its not until the F4J(US), F-4S or Tornado F3 at 12.0 that Bluefor well and truly catches up to the Mig-23MLD in terms of performance. Mig-23MLD should probably be 11.7 or maybe even 12.0
Most of what Bluefor has at 11.3 and 11.7 are mud movers like the AV-8B(NA), A-10C and F-111.
Well you have supported my point block off 12.3 from facing 12.7. Then place the 12.3 aircraft at the top of 11.3. Interchange a 12.3 vs 11.3 with a 12.3 vs 11.7 rotation and keep the rest of the br schedule the same.
Most MlD pilots are trash. I’ll role the dice at that br no problem.
So now.aircraft like the Tornado Gr1, Sea Harrier FRS1 and Phantom FGR2 just have to put up with trying to fight Mig29s?
Yea for a seal clubber
The mig 29 is 12.7. How would they fight at 12.7?
Misread what you put.
Still you would be in permanent uptiers. Just because you want to farm 11.3 Mig23MLs in the F18, doesn’t mean than 11.3s and 11.7s should be screwed with constant uptiers. Been there, done that, had that t-shirt for an entire year in 2023. It sucked
