Compared to the precision the Tornado could achieve, especially in attack profiles other than essentially dive bombing the target like the F-4s. There is little equal.
But in game. The fact the Tornado is not only much slower but that Napalm is around 3x more effective is the issue. A Tornado has to lug 5-6 1K bombs to a base, the F-4 only needs 2x Napalm bombs to do the exact same amount of damage. The reduction in drag and weight, ontop of being faster platform to begin with and then finally able to better defend themselves is the issue we face in game.
Perhaps its time for CBUs to be added with the same kind of damage multiplier Napalm has
I played some ARB today to spade some new planes due to stupid FOMO for a plane I’ll never use.
Torpedoes.
Torpedo bombing is kind of non-existent, and torpedo bombers have no real role in most ARB matches.
Well, the thing I missed from 2014 or so?
I finally had pacific maps to fly on! Unfortunately, not on torepdo bombers but it was still cool.
As so - less “damage multiplier”, more “speciality targets.”
Torpedoes suck vs bases, but they sink boats better than even loose lips.
Oh, Everyone else just explained the historical side well.
So… On the gameplay side in ARB…
Napalms completely made conventional bombs useless. That is why Phantoms beats Tornado in this game for base bombing purposes.
Napalm bombs which need to eat a single base are way lighter than their conventional counterparts.
It also has lower drags.
in conclusion, F-4E/F armed with Four BLU-27/B for two bases might go faster than Tornado IDS armed with five 1000lb LDGP for single base. for [Mindless-Race-To-Base-For-Rewards] because they are lighter.
( I didn’t test the acceleration of F-4E with 4 BLU-27 so this conclusion can be wrong.)
Then even if we increase the number of bases in the current status of ARB, nothing will gonna change for Tornado which will reach base slower than Phantoms.
If we only compare both Phantom and Tornado with no napalm or Rocket(Version of Before FFAR’s death for rocketing base.)
Tornado IDS can easily beat Phantom badly for the base bombing.
When Rocketting wasn’t popular so everyone mounted 5~6x 1000lb or 12x 500lb bombs.
No Phantoms can run faster than Tornado IDS of mine unless They
Set fuel to minimum fuel for less weight
No A2A Missile for fewer drag and even less weight
Because I was accelerated way faster than them.
And that was why I seldomly got TK by AIM-7E from F-4EJ ADTW while I played Tornado GR.1 XD
Good old times…
Does F-111F have the option to use Napalm on their custom loadout?
In normal pre-made loadout from Gaijin, I can’t see any of Napalm unlike F-111A does.
(Got the F-111C but 92k left for 111F)
Yeah, and thus we get this wierd situation/double standard where sometimes gaijin religiously sticks by what a nation could use (British Phantoms not getting Napalm) but then allowing all nations to use a weapon system that htey didnt use (Only the British Typhoon should have Paveway IVs)
My solution for bombers is simple and realistic: there should be a single target so that bombers can fly together in formation to bomb. This would put an end to the race for bombers to reach a base. The target should have a lot of air defenses to prevent attack aircraft from stealing the bases. The targets should be relevant to the game. Currently, bombers are excluded from the game: they don’t drop tickets, and it’s just a race to the base with a quick dive, which is unrealistic.
Relevant targets could be radar stations that allow the detection of all enemy planes, as was done during World War II. We could also have jamming stations that prevent the use of radars, with aircraft like the F/A-18 Growler capable of jamming enemy systems.
Wouldn’t it be exciting to see bombers in formation, flying at high altitudes? And finally, it’s unrealistic that planes have to take off every time; it would be more realistic if they all started at high altitudes, as was done during World War II. For example, the high-altitude bombing missions of the RAF over Germany.
To illustrate this, let’s take the example of the P-51 Mustang and the P-47 Thunderbolt. Aerial combat involving these planes often took place at altitudes between 7,000 and 9,000 meters. For instance, during the bombing mission on March 6, 1944, known as “Big Week,” P-51 Mustangs escorted B-17 Flying Fortress and B-24 Liberator bombers at combat altitudes of around 8,000 meters, engaging enemy fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190.
you would be to get more actual knowledge about the game set-up in Air RB and historical facts.
Asking for realism in wt is futile, you play a game optimized for kids with access to credit cards. There is little to zero connection to reality or realism.
Imho reading some books would close your know-how gaps in aviation history - the stuff you see on yt, movies like “Red Tails” or TV series like “Masters of the Air” are made for entertainment purposes.
A few examples:
The only known high alt missions flown by RAF BC were with a few lend-lease B-17s called “Fortress I” and were stopped after a few attempts with small groups without any remarkable success. It is reported that they used them actually at 30,000 feet.
Multiple mistakes:
Operation Argument (aka as Big Week) happened February 20-25, 1944
The results were not sustainable losses:
RAF:
131 bombers[3] USAAF:
226 heavy bombers[4]
28 fighters[4]
Over 2,000 aircrew killed or captured[4] Luftwaffe
262 fighters[4]
250 aircrew killed or injured,[4] including nearly 100 pilots KIA
The raid on March 6, 1944 with target Berlin (aka as “Big B”) was so successful that 60-69 bombers were lost that day. Even the unreliable site wikipedia is aware of that:
Fierce battles raged and resulted in heavy losses for both sides; 69 Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses were lost on 6 March but the Luftwaffe lost 160 aircraft. The Allies replaced their losses; the Luftwaffe could not.[37]
Do some research how often and with which effects (usually zero) Chain Home was attacked in 1940. The allies were unable to destroy German radar station too.
So imho you show a lot of passion - but as soon as you realize that you pursue a dream without considering that most of it makes no sense or can’t be realized you might change your mind.
