It has better flight performance than the U-2 and better missiles, albeit fewer. Even if you don’t think that’s a fair trade, which is a fair opinion, I haven’t seen a single good argument for it seeing 9.3s or 9.0s.
put the 9.7 mig21´s at 10.0 and the mirage3c at 10.3 then it would work, but putting it there alone is just silly. (and you might reconsider some 9.3 planes since they lost most planes which lost most of their counters.
not the worst take since the f18 dominates 12.3 and the f16/mig29 with the non irccm missiles do have problems at this br rn. And you also could debate the mirage f1c at 12.3 since the magic2 is basically 2 free kills. jh7 should also move at the mirage f1c br since it is atleast as good this plane.
bit overdone since it is def worse than the j7e and the missiles arent that great either.
you probably can argue for this but since its also a focused aircraft and most playeers arent doing that well in it it probably can stay as it is. and the french version is just not worth putting it up there.
isnt it just an su27? so where is the su27 then
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Ahh yes, the 21Bis is Op pls make It have a higher BR than even the J7E
Oh and pls lower the F16A so that It can club even more
Lets Just not mind the F18A being clearly underBRd
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Su-27S/J11 13.3→13.0
Inline with the other 13.0s in terms of capabilities, and can’t be at the same BR as the J11A and Su30MK2
A-10C 11.7→12.0
Obliterates everything at 11.7, the package of situational awaraness, ground strike and A2A capabilities that It offers has literally no equals in the entire bracket
J7E 11.0→11.3
Pretty self explanatory, It sealclubs everything with Little to no effort which makes it basically the rafale of 11.0
MiG-23 MLD 11.3→11.7/12.0
same as the J7E, too unbalanced to stay at it’s current BR
F/A-18A 12.3→12.7
Insane how this thing has always stayed at 12.3 especially seeing how Redfor doesn’t even have a dedicated fighter at this BR
F16A OCU (belgian squadron vehicle) 12.7→13.0
seeing how this thing Is literally better than the belgian F16A at 13.0 but somehow Is 0.3 lower, makes It a blatant cash gran
MiG-9.12/9.13 12.7→12.7
Remove it’s R27ER and give It R73s by limiting to only 4
F-4E 10.7→11.0
Has no business fighting Mig19 and other 9.7s
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Getting hit once in anything is a death sentence, if your opponent is brained.
yet there’s too much skill issue to get hit in such a speedy rocket with good CLmax turning performance and best thrust.
it’s 2025 dmg.
wait are we on rb or sb?
Good point. Ig the Bis could prolly be 11.3, with the J-7E 11.7 then.
Idk what the difference between Su-33 and Su-27 are. I can’t recall ever fighting Su-27s, but I can recall Su-33s making the game unplayable for enemy team in downtiers.
MB I forgot abt the first Mig-21.
Wdym even more? The F-16A is pretty weak in its current state, even in full downtiers. How on earth can you be struggling to fight it?
The J-7E would be bad at 11.7, but I would not argue against both being 11.3.
The Su-33 is heavier with noticably worse flight performance, but it gets a much better RWR and 2 extra R-27ERs.
It’s at minimum worthy of being a whole BR higher than the Mig-21Bis because of it’s better missile loadout, RWR, radar, and flight performance.
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lmao F16 block 10 needs to go to 12.0? OMFG i cant. XD
I wouldn’t call it worse. It can carry sane amount of missiles, and gets R-60MK which are superior to Aim-9L imo, and it also gets access to radar missiles. I think the F-16A being 0.7 higher than the Bis is fair.
Vampire F.B.5(Great Britain), Vampire FB 52A(Italy), A28B(Sweden), Vampire FB 52A(Swe-Fin): 8.0 > 7.7 (Ground RB 8.0)
Compared to other Jets at its Tier the Vampire while being fairly agile Bleeds speed so hard for the tiniest turn you make, and again compared to what you face everything is faster and has better acceleration. The guns are decent as they are 4x20mm Hizpanos with decent belts. Only reason i see this thing being 8.0 is due to the Capabilities against ground vehicles they have. But since we have split Brs this should not be a concern anymore
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I just re-tested its damage both in the testing range, and in a couple matches, the 20mms leave much to be desired in terms of damage. The tracers seem to do the most damage, but it takes about 12-20 rounds to knock one plane down, unless rng Jesus takes the stick. Then you have to factor in the rounds your likely to miss, so your really only scoring… maybe at best 3 kills.
Aim-9Ls are vastly better than R-60Ms purely due to flare resistance.
They are functionally useless at 11.0, let alone 11.3 or 11.7.
I don’t think a massive flight performance, RWR, and radar upgrade is only worth 0.7, and it’s worth at minimum 1.0 or higher.
Wrong.
R-3R? They are by no means useless. The Deep Strike and SEAD events made that very clear.
Flight performance buff, and . . . radar buff? (how is that relevant without radar missiles?) doesn’t warrant a 1.0 increase in the age of missile warfare. Furthermore, the F-16A’s flight performance isn’t that much better that a Mig-21 is just hopeless.
Maybe after a LOT of decompression a 1.0 difference would be warranted, but the Bis and F-16A should realistically be the last planes to decompress.
one of the takes of all time. f-16a blk 10 is like top 5 flight models in game
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No, YOU are wrong literally ask anyone on the forum, or check the in game stats themselves!
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r60ms would rather go for a cigarette on the ground while 9ls can track through someone flaring thats afterburning rear aspect if its a hot target like a phantom or a mig-23.Also they have vastly more range which makes them much better imo, sneak attacks are good using 9ls. the only thing r60ms are better at are being slight better at maneuvering which rarely matters against a target thats paying attention, and being much better at heads due to proxy delay and its maneuverability again.
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R-60s are just a joke.
Meanwhile I’ve killed flaring F-4s and other aircraft that turned off the AB and it still landed lol.
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Yes, and Mig-21 Bis isn’t far behind in terms of max speed and flat turning. It’s only inferior in retention and acceleration, which is good cause it gets better missiles.
Excuse me, your Russian bias is showing.
I have literally used both Aim-9Ls and R-60MKs versus Phantoms, and the R-60s have way more use cases, including better head-on performance and better for shooting down incoming missiles.
You have absolutely 0 ground to stand on telling me that R-60s are bad, especially with your rep.
The F-16 is easily 100kmh faster, and can actually continue to turn if it pulls hard, unlike the Mig-21 which will very quickly lose all speed and become a sitting duck.
They are worse, and even then they couldn’t be considered massive better. This isn’t R-73 vs Aim-9L, it’s R-60M vs Aim-9L.
Conveniently ignoring the massive RWR advantage, and in what world is the F-16 not massively better flight performance wise than the Mig-21?
I don’t disagree, but R-60Ms are just not as good overall.
Anyone dying to an R-3R in an F-4E has a massive skill issue, and that should not be taken as proof of them being good. 1 piece of chaff will prevent them from working, and they can be dodged as easily as an Aim-9E.
It should be noted that you have not played any Mig-21, and I’d trust the ones who have, over the ones who haven’t.