they’re what the berezin is to 12.7s
The P-59 can turn harder and sustain its turns, while having over double the ammo, sure it’s a bigger target, but how can you hit something that will out turn you, out run you, and has a 37mm and 3x .50 cals?
the later la7 doesn’t have them either, they were replaced post war, if warthunder is to believed, with a worse gun
Could you format it like I asked previously. Plz and thank you.
how do you hit the BI literally pulling energy out of a hat and booming and zooming you while you’re unable to do anything, like I said the p59 can be annoying but the BI can be unbearable
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Are we sure that’s the only thing it’s missing? It’s an “early” plane. There may be more changes than we know.
I have both, and have fought both.
One is at 5.7 and I commonly take it to 6.7 because it’s that good.
The other is 6.7 which I only ever take to 7.0 at best.
I’d rather fight the Bi. Making them over accelerate is easy
Yes the bi uses shVAKs, but I have tried all the belts, I think the ground one is my favorite, seems to do the most damage, but still having to hit things 10+ times is a bit annoying.
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You forgot about its MAW, and mass flare count.
Oh and it’s low temp engine signature
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As far as I can tell, there are no other changes or differences apart from the (e) being slightly lighter.
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It’s what I meant by incredible survivability
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why can you only pick one? Its by far not only 1 nation which has the best vehicle rn.
1.0 is def ussr, 6.3 is usa/great britain, 9.3 is italy, 9.7 is germany/japan, 10.7 and 11.3 is china, 12.3 is usa and toptier is france. there are way too many choises for the best/most dominant nation.
and I only wrote some br´s which instantly came to mind…
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Lmao the whole post hidden by staff
No it was hidden by someone that got upset that people are seeking balance.
@Surbaissemaxxing can you unhide this and the other topic for naval?
I literally can’t see how it’s upsetting…
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prolly the best idea to make the best plane for the br list
and then the worst plane for the br list
We don’t do proofs by doghouse/ climb/ top speed for every single aircraft and all comparisons cuz common sense is common sense.
Think about la9 vs p47d30. That’s where discussions and solo tests are needed.
e.g. It’s year 2025, shvak is not at the best state right after when realshitter was fixed, but is still a good point-and-click level firepower, with better ballistics than 151 yet still scatters and slows down at long range as it uses light-weight high-velocity shells. (read code if needed) It’s nowhere near the horrific 2020 state, also not with the fragment damage problem. It may still lack some punch on large heavy bombers due to low explosive filler, but still, bombers are fragile enough today.
This is a conclusion.
if you are looking for the version of conclusion when BI was added into the game, shvak was no doubt a firework splasher.
The Bi is mainly good against bombers, not exactly fighters, they can keep up with them sure. But getting hit once is a death sentence, and 90 rnds are… bleh
Su-33 13.0 → 13.3
Far too powerful at 13.0, especially considering it sees vehicles like the F-4J. It was fine at 13.3.
XF5U-1 5.3 → 3.7
Let’s be honest, even at 3.7 its climb rate, max speed, and dogfighting capabilities will all be meh.
A-4B 8.7 → 8.3
No flares, and terrible energy retention. It’s just worse than the A-4E
J-7D 10.7 → 11.3
T-2 Early 9.7 → 10.0
Need I explain? Both are text book P2W planes.
F-16A 12.3 → 12.0
Non-IRCCM and non-radar missiles have no business at 12.3. The F-16A should be moved to 12.0 where it will have superior flight performance to its enemies to make up for the bad missile loadout.
A-7D 10.3 → 9.0
A-7E 10.7 → 9.3
A-7K 11.3 → 10.7
Again, one of those things that really doesn’t need explanation. The A-7s are LONG overdue for downtiering.
F-105D 10.0 → 9.7
Flareless with only Aim-9Bs. It’s only marginally better than F-104 which itself now sucks after the FM nerfs.
F-117 8.7 → 8.0
Bad bombload and absolutely no A2A capability. It should be 8.0 where it can atleast outrun its enemies.
Mig-15 8.0 → 8.3
F-86A-5 8.0 → 8.3
Neither of these should ever have moved to 8.0.
Su-25 10.3 → 10.7
A-10A Early 10.3 → 10.7
Neither should be facing 9.3s with all-aspect un-dodgable missiles.
Mig-21 Bis 11.0 → 11.3
The Bis is far too strong at 11.0. It’s definitely not equal to F-5E, and it shouldn’t be facing flareless 10.0s.
Furthermore, the Deep Strike event placed the Bis against the F-4E, which is one of the best 11.3s in the game, and it was just endless free kills for the Bis’s. Those events made it pretty clear that the Bis would have 0 trouble being moved up.
F-8E (FN) 10.0 → 10.7
F8U-2 10.3 ->10.7
F-8E 10.7 → 11.0
All three have very good missiles for their BRs whilst also fielding, what’s probably THE best A2A gun in Warthunder (Colt Mk.12), and are all top-5 in dogfighting ability of any 9.0-12.0 plane.
Lastly, pretty much every single Spitfire (except for like the first 3) and Yak-1/3/9 needs to be moved up. They both ruin all fair-play at their respective BRs, outturning outclimbing and outrunning nearly everything they face.
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Mig-21 9.7 → 10.0
Too strong for the same reasons as the T-2, but trading some missile performance for flight performance. It should move up along with the T-2.
J-7E 11.3 → 11.7
Overperfoimg similarly to the Bis, so should also be moved up.
F/A-18A 12.3 → 12.7
Far too strong at its current BR having roughly equal missile load to surrounding planes, but superior flight performance.
F/A-18C Early 12.7-13.0
All the same issues as the 18A, and should also be moved up.
nah, its about as high as it can go
iirc it only has half as many missiles as the US one, and no flares
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