At the current, i could only agree with moving the .50 sabres and 15bis and bis ish to 8.7.
Some other 8.7s like the G91 and Venom can be subjective, as again youre giving up one br for another.
Some 8.7s should be, but they could also be quite powerful at 8.3.
Its how they already are. Moving the 3 up, F1/17/F2 makes them pretty unenjoyable. I personally dont think these 3 planes are the main issues for earlier jets. I think thats the bis,8.3 sabres, A5, and bis ish.
Those were suggested by someone else. I merely added it.
Theres 2 differing opinions i see on the forum on the reg
1 group wants nothing to go down in BR as decompression when
1 group realises decompression is hope and dreams and want vics that are dead to be revived a little
Take the kfir Man is right. Goes down to 10.7, other mirage at 10.7- 10.3 fhat leaves the mirage at 10.3 screwed. But makes the 10.7 mirage and kfir better. In this case kfir gets the 10.7
Mig 25 is unfair at its BR, making life hell for many other jets. Mig25 goes up as its 1 vs many.
Moving anything anywhere will be called out for something…
So why not the other undertiered MiGs and F-86s
Explain why the MiG and F86 deserve to be undertiered but not the G.91 or Venom, who perform worse than the MiG or F86 yet sit at a higher BR?
So?
And makes about 30+ jets more enjoyable and playable
I suggest looking up the stats for those vehicles, perhaps that will settle it.
Stats that are flavored entirely by major/minor nation nuance and not their own performance?
Because with CURRENT brs they arent really that undertiered. Theyre strong, but not really 9.0 material anymore. I mean, I could play them at 9.0. But the avg player is just gonna get fucked.
But even then, WHICH sabres and migs are you talking about? The migs and sabres from 8-8.3 are undertiered. Are you talking about JUST the 8.7 ones? Because im only talking about the 8.7 ones, and have been the entire time.
They dont. But what are you gonna do, move them down and recreate the same problem?
Are these 3 Really the core issue for 30+ planes, or is the A5, F25/30/35, 15/bis/bis ish?
5th time saying this, can’t even exaggerate, 5th time saying this
THEIR DIRECT PEERS AT A HIGHER BR THAN THEY ARE
Their DIRECT PEERS, meaning the aircraft CLOSEST IN RELATIVE PERFORMANCE SIT AT A HIGHER BATTLE RATING THAN THEY DO
ALREADY TOLD YOU
Mig-25 shouldn’t go up. Especially in sim. It’s a decent plane. But in no way too good
So explain why THEY DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT?
??
I’m just trying to help.
The same exact thing applies to the F-86A-5 at 8.0. You would then also have 8.7 hold everything from the MiG15bis to the afterburning MiG-17 which is a 3 step performance difference (15bis → 17 → 17PF) without changing BR.
Cant speak.about sim but in RB its a joke.
Cant get away from it from BR 10- 12. Monkey jet
Despite being almost exactly the same aircraft, and being at a higher BR, the CL13 Mk4 produces better statistics than the F-86A-5, which again, has the same performance, and sits at a lower BR.
Test fly it in first person. You’ll see what I mean
I actually never spoke on the PF 17s, which should be 9.0.
Maybe this will help you understand my position
A5 > 8.3
Mig 15 > 8.3
15bis > 8.7
17 > 8.7
Lim/PF > 9.0
Shenyang > 9.0
F25/F30/F35 > 8.7
Hunter F.1 > 8.7
F2 Sabre > 8.7
CL Mk 4 > (idk, i hear its the same as an A5 but ive never played it)
This is what i think the best brs would be for these planes given the CURRENT brs.
I dont know where the Mystere, G91, or Venom should really be. I think these planes COULD be too strong at 8.3, so i wont say they should move.
Everything you’ve been saying thus far has been implying you do NOT want these BRs. I have been the one advocating for almost these exact BRs, except I take it a step further and just revert all downtiers because its all compression.
No, ive only disagreed with you on moving the 17/F2/F1 to 9.0. Which was what i replied to the OP about.