Then you still have a performance leap without a BR increase with the F-86F-25 to the F-86F-2 and with the 15bis to the 17.
the performance is identical between all F model sabres outside the F40 (f40 just turns better)
The F2 gets good guns, but atp (with current BRs) does not = 9.0 imo
The 17 to bis is a leap, but where else can the bis go if the norm 15 is 8.3?
BUT the 17s performance is not that of a PF.
F-86F-2 has better performance in air rb down to actually having effective guns. It doesn’t fly any worse to compensate for this difference.
The 15bis can be 8.7, the 17 should be 9.0. The PF can be 9.3. It’s all very simple. As you said earlier they simply need to decompress the battle rating
Then the PF and Shenyang should be 9.3. Along with the 17AS then no? (i think this is too high for them)
Yes, it does. Thats what is said. But the guns dont really justify a .3 increase anymore. The F model performance falls off pretty hard at 9.0+. Especially once you start including the 13A/B in the mix.
The newly added14.3 aesa jets was the time to decompress .
Its not sadly not happening. Especially the way we all want.
14.7 EF aesa incoming as de compression. It would need to be 16.0 or something to fix the game.
17AS is annoying because it’s just a MiG-17A with 2 AIM-9Bs. If you put it at 9.0 it’s better than the MiG-17A and if you put it at 9.3 it’s far worse than the MiG-17PF
Not fully related but I heard f86f2.
Anyone else think the f86f2 shouldn’t be higher rating just because it’s weapons? If I remember right besides that it’s identical to its tech tree predecessor.
When I test flew it seemed only like a slight upgrade. I think the trigger time was even lower than with the previous armament. Spamming 50 cows seemed to be pretty effective firepower when I played Japanese f86f30, alongside the great ability to frequently hit someone at least once which can sometimes still mess with someone’s flight model.
Maybe im entirely wrong here; I haven’t finished researching it yet but do want to play it.
From the F25 > F2 its worth the 8.3 > 8.7 jump.
But, the F2 isnt really a 9.0 plane (which the OP suggested it be moved to)
It does fly identically to all other F sabres (excluding F40). They all have the same flight model (excluding F40)
Besides the point, what would make a great american 9.0 would be the F86H with 6-3 wings.
Since you guys are talking about a this rating I’ll share some opinions on the rating currently.
The lim5 and Shenyang should be two rating steps above the 15bis, rather than just one step like the m17. The lim5 is ridiculous and felt like easy mode when I played it, besides the bad roll at very low heights. It’s almost as fast as the scimitar the fastest plane at that rating.
Also, what is the swift f1 doing higher rating than the earliest f86 right now when I’m pretty sure it’s worse in almost every department?
Along with that g91 prototype has a weaker engine and no 4x missile and should be same rating as f86a5 probably.
The France mystere and vautour(9.0 ones) are also bad and need to be lower rating.
Last random thought is wtf is the narwhal 262 doing at 6.3; it’s ridiculous it gets -0.7 because of the gun.
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You should. Its a great plane if you really learn it.
They should be 9.0 yes.
Its better than a CL13b. The plane, anyways. 13b is better in arb though
I’ll also share possible realistic decompress of the problematic 9.3 range. I might miss/not imply strike aircraft in this. Prepare for the TEXT WALL
All 9.3 besides maybe the j32b and maybe a few small others should be 9.7(all of this is with current ratings in mind, if Korean War stuff goes up a step them my planned suggestions would also be a step higher).
All the current 9.7 should be 10.3 besides maybe the harriers which instead could be 10.0. F106 has insane performance, T2 has crazy missiles, and the prem ussr 21 has somewhat of both but weaker in both. The hunter f6(uk), ayit , and spsk I’m a bit mixed on.
Then move current all current 10.0 fighters to 10.7 alongside f104j.
Lastly, put all current 10.3 to 11.3. They should be two steps above the 10.7 because j35xs and 21 smt get flares and an improved engine. The mirage 3e could arguably be 11.0 because of no engine buff and I think worse flight performance. Then move current 10.7 to 11.3, and everything onward, and go from there.
Thoughts? I like and play this rating a lot, but of course haven’t played every vehicle, and there are certainly exceptions/things I missed like France hunter, prem hunter, and other lesser played stuff. It’s not so cookie cutter obvious to determine ratings like Korean War stuff so I might have some bad opinions.
Like, should an insane missile on an subpar airframe warrant a rating increase?
I at least generally fixed of issue of poor current 9.0 fighting unavoidable missiles.
Where me262 decompression, its a flying brick facing SABRES
The 20mms are undoubtly better than the .50 cals
F-86F-35 also has sources saying it has wing slats, I can’t verify.
Definitely debatable
Are you implying to downtier them? That would be compression, not decompression.
“actual arguments” like trying to imply I have a skill issue as a top 5% air player and thats why I have the opinions I do??
I dont think the 35 ever did. Only the hard 6-3 wings.
If it did have slats it wouldnt be the same as the f40 though. F40 has a 2ft span over earlier models with slats readded.
I believe the only other plane to have f40 wings were later F86H sabres.
minor spelling mistake, argument invalid
F-86F-35 from a quick google irl had both types of wings depending on year, and I’m going back to ancient history regarding WT knowledge to remember that there was something quirky about the F-86F-35’s FM over other sabres. The old wiki also directly mentions it has slats while the F-25 does not but I can’t cite the ancient old wiki either.
In game it does not. It is indentically the same as the f25 in game.
Do you have the plane