should have rewarded to “getting killed by a prop in the 262 by letting it climb on you is a failing on your end” fair enough
was also taken aback by you trying to use flying brick slower than the props as a reason to get competent jet that can turn decent for a ww2 jet lowered. the P59 is a joke plane, 5.0 planes rip past it.
only works if youre faster. a ME262 IS faster. only thing that gives you a run for your money at the same BR as a ME262 is the sea meteor (that thing is pretty decent) or maybe the thunderjet after a very long chase.
For air RB a Spitfire Mk.24 absolutely is, because it’s not totally useless against 7.0 and 7.3 planes. We also have an Me-262 with an airspawn at 6.7 and no one complains about it.
At minimum every Me-262 should have either an interceptor or attacker spawnpoint, but a BR reduction by 0.3 for several models would not be harmful.
meh idk about that. You are only of use if you win the head on or get a jet that messed up. Its not a fun experience in air being the slowest thing there is.
im an avid hater of that thing. Its got a high skill ceiling for air battles but its disgustingly undertiered just like the typhoon with 37mms in ground. Its worse than the yak 9k and is more than playable up until theres the wall of undertiered radar SPAA starting at 7.7 and becoming horrendous at 8.3
i think thats fair to think as its jumo engines are awful at spool up. but thats a problem for all early jets.
but with that it ought to go up a bit as it can now get instant advantage over every other ww2 jet because they all get ground spawn.
Do firmly believe its much more of a positioning thing in air over a BR placement issue. Its no Vampire in overtiered nature we can say that for sure
You can technically fly away all day in a 262A, yes.
But if the opponent has at least two brain cells, you can’t engage the slower opponent either. And headons do not count because those are inherently a toss up.
Brick airframe plus low-velocity cannons is not a good combination for anything but bomber hunting.
The Sturmvogel is anything but undertiered, or are you talking about the Narwhal?
The Sturmvogel flies identically to the A-1a Schwalbe, but has two less guns in the nose and optional bombs up to one 500kg. It’s a pathetic brick which can only really bag idiots that are distracted because the guns are so annoying to hit with.
The Narwhal isn’t undertiered either. Anything it gains from the tank cannon in its nose it loses in being almost completely unable to defend itself.
I think every other 262A model should be between 6.3 and 6.7. And the rocket ones are barely 7.0 material at most because for what they “gain” from the rocket boosters is negated by the weight making them even more of a brick.
did i get the pulkezestorer and another one mixed up? german designations absolutley suck.
i was talking about the 50mm.
whenever im in anything around that BR that isnt a prop my first thought is always “free food” and its not me thinking the aircraft is bad, i get my backside handed to me whenever i face a decent ME262 pilot. problem is that i almost never see those.
i do agree that rocket assists that cant be jettisonned dont warrant a BR increase. those things are heafty and the 262 falls off a cliff in viability by 7.7 because of the violent compression that early jets see. No different to a meteor in the compression victim sense really. ww2 gen jets shouldnt be seeing late korea and beyond jets
lmao stop malding you’re not making sense, by your logic the he162 should be op, in reality it’s alright because the second someone does catch you you’re literally dead (262) and 5.0s rip past it at sea level? no.
the only people coping are you and your buddy lol, why would I have good stats in a bad plane I don’t play? you act like all my stats are bad lol they’re good enough I certainly know what I’m talking about.
There are two Me-262s at 6.7 or below. In ARB the Narwhal is 6.3, at 6.7 there is the old event Sturmvogel, which is functionally the same as the A-1a/Jabo with two less guns in the nose.
Define “decent.” Because all a 262 can do is run and occasionally jump someone who isn’t paying attention in my experience, regardless of which model we’re talking about. That’s not “decent,” that’s “barely treading water on a good day.”
And yet when spading the Sturmvogel at 6.7 that is the only normal A model that cannot see Sabres and MiG-15s, in many respects fighting superprops is arguably worse. Sure you can run from them, but it’s functionally like every single plane is a Zero compared to you. Unless they are distracted by multiple people, you cannot get a killshot except by going headon which has a high chance of killing or mortally wounding you in the process.
I don’t think there is any “good place” for Me-262s to sit at unless we saw the bright red markers removed from the mode, thereby enabling all speed-centric planes to jump opponents before they can turn away.
lmao I’m grasping at straws and apparently the 262 having 2 engines is a reason it’s better? (literally what you’re implying) and do you live in a would where the 262 is a good dogfighter compared to 7.0s most outclass it completely.
as for your slander, anyone can look for themselves I play everything.
if youre used to turnfights or have gotten slow its a death sentence. but at the same time you got yourself into a punishable situation.
Same as with almost every struggling plane (either from being overtiered or bad pilots) decompressions would likley fix all the issues.
if youre faster you can still position in a way they cant deal with. and often they will mess up in the panic
im stuck doing the same in the sea venom to spade it. its rough.
its the airframe thats the bigger issue, a plane isnt just engines.
the 7.0s are the early trash american jets, the attacker (also a joke) all suffer as bad other than average pilot. and then theres the undertiered soviet offerings.
dude the f80 is literally a better dogfighter than the 262 though lol? plus it has an air break so gl not overshooting. and the 262 doesn’t have much more thurst while having WAY more weight. I seriously do not understand why you think the 262 is so good. WAIT WAIT WAIT GUYS I LOOKED HIS PROFILE UP HE LITERALLY DOESN’T HAVE A SINGLE 262 HE’S NOT EVEN PAST RANK 3 IN GERMANY.
All available speed-centric “tactics” the game offers only really work in 1) fighting a distracted opponent 2) surprising someone before they can turn away or 3) they make a serious mistake like stalling out under you after which you “rope-a-dope” them.
If your opponent doesn’t do one of those, 262s of any flavor have so little going for them and so many flaws that they frankly can’t do jack shit.
In other words, you can run away. With all-encompassing idiotmode red markers, there isn’t “a position they cannot deal with” unless someone else distracts them so they fly nice and straight allowing you a killshot.
I have been munching on the AI ground units, AI attacker planes, and occasionally a stupid player to stay sane in the 262 series, as well as the Kikka which is similar. The Su-9 will be similar to both I imagine.
At least the F-80A and Attacker have a lot of ammo and thus are good at grass-cutting. I still rate the F-80A as leagues above the 262. More maneuverable, less draggy, much more ammo, airbrakes, G-suit, and New Boosters modules. Sure .50cals aren’t the instant-annihilation guns that MK108s are, but having tons of ammo and high velocity make up for it.
