Both for ground too.
BVVD said in his video that they won’t decompress the game more due to not trying to increase load times.
Alternatively, give it IRCM pods.
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This would result in being up BR’d for sure. AIM-7Es aren’t great missiles, but they’re still legitimately difficult to kinematically defeat within their (Admittedly small) window of effective range. They would be by far the best RADAR missiles below 11.0, and you get 4 of them.
Really, the only fix for the F-4C is to completely replace it with the F-4D, which has countermeasures. Might need to go up, and I’d need to see how it handles before I’d advocate giving it AIM-7Es as well.
The F-4C can be converted into an event plane, or just removed from the game like the Chinese PT-76 was.
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We have to be realistic, they’re not going to go from 14.3 to 15.3 or even 15.0
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NF-5A → 11.0 or 11.3
J-7D → 11.0
Long overdue
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And that’s the problem. It needs a 16.0. ALL jet tiers are a mess (i really can’t say for props at this point because i don’t play much props unfortunately) .
You start with WW2 jets vs Korean era and keeps going bad.
Example , F-4C , you can give IRCM pod and i think ALE-38 chaff dispenser pod. The plane can carry up to AIM-9P variants and AIM-7E2… Just give it 9J and 7E , the pods and get it 10.7. You don’t have to make it OP. Just a bit more …interesting. Even if it plays a lot in that BR it is, it’s because it’s in a popular tree and before F-4E and F-15s that people want to play.
They can even implement this
in a form,
that will bring variety and more fair MM. (people don’t even know the proposal exists)…
They can give a SL talisman as well , so people won’t just stick to the premiums and actually try and play what they like and GJ will get money like crazy. In the end combining the talismans will give a profit just a bit lower than the premiums in the tier, but it would sell a lot better because people would play what they want and have fun.
All those are simple things… a days work. Won’t cost , will give profit and it’s hell more relevant to try and ^fix^ a specific vehicle with a down/up rank in a super compressed tiering altogether (where the best move you can do is like half mistake , not correct anyway…).
I wouldn’t say the AIM-7E is difficult to defeat since a simple roll will make them miss, it’s just that people are not used to seeing them in lower tiers and most planes below 9.7 do not have RWR’s. The AIM-7E is not an overpowered weapon, my point is that the F-4C is too mediocre and does not have any sort of advantage to use over other planes. There are definitely 9.7 and 9.3 aircraft better than the F-4C, and getting uptiered is already miserable.
15.3 → Rafale, Su-30SM2
15.0 → Rafale M, Eurofighter (AESA), J10C (with ws10b)
14.7 → F-15C GE, Su-30SM, Eurofighter
14.3 → F-15E, Su-27SM, J-11B, F/A-18E
14.0 → F-15C, F-16C, Grippen C, MiG-29SMT (with R-77-1), J-10A, J-11A, F/A-18C (late)
13.7 → Su-30MK…(all variants), Jf-17, F-16A Blk15…(all variants), MiG-29N, Su-34
13.3 → Su-27S, F-15A, Grippen A, Sea harrier, AV8B, J8 (arh one), Kfir C10 blk60, F4F kws, Ja-37DI
13.0 → MiG-29G…(and equivalents), F/A-18C, Aim9m f16s
12.7 → MiG-29 9.13 (with r73 and no r27), F/A-18A
Not mentioned stuff at their current br, unless it seems obviously wrong.
This is somewhat realistic since gaijin won’t add max br to like 16.0, still I would like to add more brs by splitting 13.0 and 13.3
Chinese stuff could be placed a bit wrong because I have never played them and have not much idea of it, unlike other ones.
If gaijin buffs amraam turn perf decently (pls gaijoob) all amraam carriers at 13.7 and above will move up a br
14.3 and above is rank 9 (as rank 7 is from 10.3 to 12.0 (ignore the 10.0 su25), hence 12.3 to 14.0 is rank 8, hence 14.3 onwards shouls be rank 9)
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bump them up to 16.0 honestly.
Absolutely, all fox 3 carriers should be as far away from 12.7’s as possible.
I’d rather have multipath removed so people start evolving and learning different tactics, BVR is a valid playstyle and genuinely wins overall, if you fly high you have the advantage and you can rain down missiles on people that can’t really fight back since theyre constantly forced defensive aaaand nope, multipath exists and they can just fly straight and low and insta defeat all your missiles. Fun!
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Why? It’s not even good.
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Because it has amraams facing F-4S/Mirage F1/etc?
You cannot remove multipathing and keep 16v16.
If you are firing top down, mutlipathing is ignored in most instances already.
true, i’d like to see 8v8 even with multipath staying anyway
Correct, it’s almost always a guaranteed kill against flankers since theyre so fat but for more nimble jets it’s a lot more dicey in my (limited) experience.
Subsonic airframe with decent missiles v.s supersonic airframe with bad missiles in a full downtier seems pretty fair.
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Can we go back to kindly laying out actual arguments/detailed reasons instead of posting stats?
Anyway, f106 9.3->9.7.
I sold the vehicle and haven’t played it myself but gone vs it plenty. It’s a f104 with the one weakness removed, making it too good for 9.3
a21rb 6.7->7.0
Played this somewhat forgotten vehicle and it felt illegal. Literal vampire engine at 6.7, and gets an air brake to mitigate its low top speed
Lastly, a2d 7.0->6.7(air only)
Been playing it recently and even with its great climb rate its poor maneuverability makes it unable to compete with 7.0 jets. It can destroy two bases with a single payload , but destroying bases doesn’t help you get a win by a lot
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Stat shaming is unfortunately the only effective way to get idiots mouthing off to shut up. So, no.
Agreed, thing is a menace in the right hands, the reason it’s still so low is because practically everyone flying it has had a lobotomy prior to launching the game.
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No.
Sabre up, mig 17 forgotten lol. Where the hunter?
If the F2 is 9.0, 17 and hunter are 9.0
You didnt touch any 9.7 or 10.0, which are a major issue for these 3 planes now. Sabres and mig17 (non PF) should not be seeing fuck you missiles in just a .7 uptier.
im not going to read all 550 post, maybe youve talked about this already.