Yeah no. The Yak-141 program ended in Oct 1991 and the R-77 didnt enter service until 1994.
As for R-73s, it can already carry R-27Ts on its outboard pylons which have IRCCM plus with the 2 ERs on the inboard pylons you have arguably a better loadout than the 29 at the same br
Su-17m2
BR10.0-----> BR 9.7
I am very sure I don’t need to explain why.
Why didn’t you bring USN F-18C but decided to bring Swiss F-18C…?
For biasing?
No.
Still maintains the same amount of CM with F-16A ADF or F-18C Early (USN)
Don’t forget that Swiss F-18C also have a slightly heavier fuselage.
Only one fair point.
I think it should be granted if F-18A becomes 12.7
Correction: F-18A shouldn’t stay 12.3
I think four R-60 with a supersonic fuselage shouldn’t be 9.7BR
(8.7 jets like F-86F or A-4B will have no chance)
But I also partially agree that Su-17M2 acts like a quite weak plane in the current 10.0.
Too weak to stay, but too strong to buff.
I can carry 6x AIM-7Ps and 2x 9Ls on my 18C early, which 18A cant do.
EDIT: wiki displays last two 7Ps way down between A2G ordnance.
Damn. I think I should’ve checked in-game instead. Thanks for the correction.
:(
BTW, I still think F-18A needs to be taken care of if we consider claims like ‘send F-16A to 12.0 bc it is worse than F-18A’ over there…
US model still retains more and better missiles which doesnt change the outcome too much.
It has superior flight performance compare to F18.
Better engines compansates that.
Correction: without extra missiles and aim7p’s it shouldnt go to 12.7
Nah, ita fine. Besides the wiki shoves the last two missiles way down in ordnance list for whatever reason.
Anyway
Witch current BRs neither 18A and both 18C earlys should move up nor 16A go down.
Argument could be made that if 18A goes to 12.7 (which is as high as it can go with its current kit), 18C earlys could get 9Ms and go to 13.0 - but then you run into the issue of the swiss 18C early being way better than the US 18C early; and at the same time swiss 18C early cant or shouldnt go to 13.3.
By the way ive extensively tested 18C early against friend in unspaded 16AJ and i actually had to sweat a little to beat him in sustained turn.
As far as im aware in regards to A2A arment the US and Swiss premium 18C are identical?
It only good for CAS but it impossible for it to escape any missle coming. It R-60 can be flare easily.
I understand what you meant and why you suggested.
I am also trying to spade Su-17M2 of mine.
it is way too weak to stay current 10.0BR. that might be true.
But please, please don’t forget that there are many of the flareless jets outside of the USA TT.
Especially when you get downtiered.
And it will be even worse if Su-17M2 becomes 9.7BR.
(Think about Su-7B variants stuck at 9.3 with no missiles, too.)
As can most other missiles.
Placing the Su-27M2 at 10.0 with 4x decent rear aspect missiles when equivalents like the Jaguar GR1 at 9.7 only has 2x rear-aspect would be rather unfair. Especailly as the Su-17M2 is pretty fast
Also has Stockholm pointed out. Its hard enough in 9.7 subsonics without flares to deal with the stuff they face in uptiers. The Su-17M2 really cannot go down.
Editted: Got my Su-17M2 and Su-17M4 mixed up
ye… But there a chance they might add the Su-9 the Su-7 brother. basically the fighter version with missle installed not sure wether it got flares.
Not sure there is still some jet at lower BR being better then the SU-17m2 like the Israel Ayit literal pure monster.
And also what happend to the BR???
Gaijin really really gotta balance this game and re-do the BRs.
I half agree.
Whilst I would like to see them adjust how they balance certain types of aircraft, especially ground attackers and bombers, as most of them a probably over BRed, and you get really annoying edge cases like the Tornado IDS with guided weapons at a higher BR than those without for no apparent reason. The biggest issue is ARB’s map design/gamemode design.
It is inherrently flawed for ground attackers because its designed to create an intense furball. Tactics like terrain masking or hiding in the ground clutter dont work because you have markers. Ground targets arent always available and the rewards can be pretty poor and destroying them has almost no impact on the match.
This is why stuff like the Su-17M2 is so “weak” in RB, but in SB all ground attackers are quite strong. Heck the Su-17M2 at 11.0 is downright OP in SB and I think should be 11.3.
i really feel like A10C should have it BR lower since it doesn’t get radar type air to air missiles. Air RB never get the chances to make it to ground targets with all speedy air threats now I can say I use its it missiles to down bunch of folk but wish it could carry a gun pod on it.
Doubt it’ll happen. Gaijin isn’t super keen on adding gunless fighters, especially not if they can only use an early, shitty MCLOS missile
Just give it 2x AIM-9Ms stock. There’s 0 need for gun pods on an A-10 and the A-10A (e) with them points the plane down when firing, forcing you to pre-aim your shots unless you have something ludicrous like 1km gun angling. The AIM-9M has IRCCM and is very potent if you go for reversals in the -C.
