Air RB Battle Rating Concerns and Suggestions for Higher Tiers (10.0+)

Game Discussion Realistic Battle
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AIR RB BR CHANGES (10.0+)
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F-4C

Add AIM-7E Sparrow because this Phantom has no countermeasures and needs a marginally better weapon so it’s not complete missile bait. This is a historical armament the F-4C had.
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F-4F Early
BR Change: 10.7 → 10.3

This Phantom has no countermeasures and constantly has to face missiles. The worst things you could face right now are the JA-37C Viggen or MiG-23MLD both of which have superior radars, missiles, and flight models. There are quite a few aircraft at 9.3 that can handle an F-4F in a dogfight like the MiG-19, MiG-21F-13, even a Q-5 early could probably kill an F-4F in an energy trap.
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F-4J, F-4S, F-4J(UK), Phantom FGR.2, Phantom FG.1
BR Change: 12.0 → 11.7

Currently when you get uptiered to 12.3, you start facing aircraft that have superior flight models and weaponry. These Phantoms cannot face 13.0, there are just too many aircraft way better than you and makes flying these machines not enjoyable due to the matchmaker. Even if you get a slight uptier you face Mirage 2000’s, F-16’s, F/A-18’s. I think placing these Phantoms at the same BR as the MiG-23ML’s is fair. There are not many 10.7 aircraft that will be affected anyway (A-7E, A-6E TRAM, F-5A, Jaguar GR.1A/A/E, Buccaneer S.2B, F-104G, Mirage IIIE).
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F-104S.ASA
BR Change: 12.0 → 11.7

This is a dead plane that desperately needs a lower BR. It is outclassed within its BR range even when downtiered.
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MiG-29 (9-12A), MiG-29 (9-12B), MiG-29 (9-13)
BR Change: 12.7 → 12.3

Remove R-27ER. The early MiG-29’s struggle because they only get 2 radar missiles that are really good but you are set back once you have R-60M’s left. The R-27ER was originally a balancing choice when it was R-27R vs AIM-7M. Also this is a late variant R-27 missile on early MiG-29 variants which doesn’t make too much sense. This change would make the aircraft comparable to the F/A-18A or Mirage 2000C-S4 that are also at 12.3. These early MiG-29’s don’t really stand a chance against 13.7 aircraft decked out with ARH missiles and IR missiles with IRCCM.
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MiG-29 Sniper
BR Change: 12.7 → 13.0

Add R-73 and R-27ET. This would be a logical choice since the aircraft is technically an upgraded version of previous models. This change would make this aircraft slightly better than the MiG-29G and would make it a much more appealing aircraft to buy.
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Yak-141
BR Change: 12.7 → 13.0

Add R-73 and R-77. I know they are subjective additions to an already experimental aircraft but it would be cool to see.
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Mirage 2000D-R1
BR Change: 12.3 → 12.0

While the strike variants of the Mirage 2000 have good flight models, they do not have radar missiles and are limited with 2 IR missiles.
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Mirage 2000D-RMV
BR Change: 12.7 → 12.3

Same as above.
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JH-7A
BR Change: 12.3 → 12.0

Is this plane equal to an F/A-18A or Mirage 2000C-S4? It was good when it first released but it slowly got power creeped into irrelevance in my eyes. It is decently maneuverable but it lacks the weaponry to be more offensive.
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F-18C (Sweden)
BR Change: 14.0 → 13.7

This F-18 lacks compared to it’s upgraded counterpart and is comparable to other planes at 13.7.
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Netz, Netz (Mod)
BR Change: 12.7 → 12.3

Netz are essentially slightly upgraded F-16A’s but the Python 3’s aren’t that much of upgrade over the AIM-9L which is already a good missile. The Netz (Mod) could stay at 12.7 but the tech tree variant definitely deserves a down tier.
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F-16A ADF (US)

Add bombs, mavericks, GBU-8. Everything on the F-16A can be added on the F-16A ADF variant.
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So you want it to go up in BR and be even more missile bait?

For the most part i agree with everything else, though some are mostly compression issues

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As long as F-4J/S from the USN maintains AIM-7F, while British counterparts don’t.
F-4J/S need to remain 12.0

I mean, there needs to be a gap between F-4J/S and F-4J(UK)
But British Phantoms are not F-4E equivalent, which can be 11.3BR. right?

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I think it would be good if at least 1 of the British ones (a TT version) gained 9Ls and stayed at 12.0. Also the US versions shouldn’t go down in BR, considering they are both good at 12.0.

11.3 is more fitting. It isn’t any better or worse than the J-8B which is an alright 11.3 plane, so it should go there.

No, atleast not to all of them. Remove the ER on the German 9-12A and move it to 12.3. Keep the Russian/Hungarian ones at 12.7, remove the ERs, and add R-73s instead.

Keep it at 12.7, and move the F-16A up to 12.7.

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The AIM-7E isn’t a game breaking weapon, it’s supposed to entice players going high altitude instead of staying low and bombing which most players do and end up getting killed early on in the match.

You’re basically trading maneuverability and/or weapon range for speed when comparing the American and British phantoms, except for the F-4J(UK) which is the worst of the bunch. The only reason I place all of these phantoms at 11.7 is because I have been comparing to the MiG-23MLD which is the best 11.7 aircraft at the moment since it’s faster and more maneuverable than any of the phantoms while retaining very good weapons.

Gaijin doesn’t typically make such drastic BR jumps like that.

If you add R-73’s to any of these jets they would be moved up to 13.0 most likely.

I don’t find these jets any better than the F/A-18A at 12.3.

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1- F-4C can get AIM-7Es if it moves to 10.3.
2- Those things aren’t 10.7, though I have no objection with the idea.
3- No. They are among the best 12.0s in the game.
Just because 13.0 is compressed does not mean Mig-23s and F-4Js need to be moved down.
4- Maybe… No objection.
5- Yes. 12.3 with the removal of R-27ERs would be perfect for the first Mig-29s we get.
6- No. Mig-29 Sniper should get unique IR missiles if it’s capable of them and move to 13.0 though.
7- Hard no. Wait for Mig-29K. Yak-141 is perfect where it is.
8- No. F-1C is currently 12.0 while being inferior.
9- Maybe. Mirage RMV has a superior dogfight performance due to the superior gun pod though.
10- No. The JH-7A is the perfect example of what a 12.3 should be. Just because 13.0 is compressed doesn’t mean it should go down and ruin other aircraft with its great flight performance.
11- The F-18C is superior to all 13.7s in the game, and at least 1 14.0. It stays.
12- No. Just because 13.0 is compressed does not mean they should move down.
13- The F-16A ADF cannot use ground attack weapons. That capability was added in MLU package.

Also the best 11.7 aircraft in the game is the F-111C, and the F-4J is superior to that, let alone the Mig-23MLD. R-60M is not a “good weapon”, and pulse radar launched missiles are only good when people don’t bring chaff.

Agreed. The F-4J makes up for worse air RB flight performance with those missiles for a reason.

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no, they’d just make 10.7-11.3 unplayable. We need decompression, not downtiers.

but you didnt change mig29g br and mig29g is already pretty ass in air rb, we need decompression ofc

doesn’t matter, they are just strictly better than the mirage f1s that already exist at that br and the m2k would be too good.

same as above

We should be decompressing

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It’s really bad for a 10.0 and the only reason it maintains any BR and doesnt drop to 9.7 or even 9.3 is because it can bomb and gaijin thinks anything that can bomb is fine regardless if it sucks at everything else

yes except you’re also trading not having an HMD, being far worse in any turning engagement, and having far worse sarh missiles in exchange for… still being way slower than almost any gen4 plane both in accel and top speed…

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Whats the reasoning behind this? Seems random at best.

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It doesn’t need to, this aircraft has been uptiered to 10.7 then brought back down again to 10.0 just because it’s so mediocre. The AIM-7E isn’t a super missile, it takes a few seconds for it to track since it’s not a dogfight missile like the E2.

Just because they are the best 12.0’s in the game doesn’t make them objectively good planes at it’s current tier. Again, I point to the MiG-23MLD as a competitor while being at a lower BR.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to here, the R-73’s are the only missiles I can think of that can be added.

The F-1’s can carry more missiles which is a tradeoff of not being as maneuverable.

The best 12.3 is the F/A-18A, this isn’t even a fair comparison.

That’s definitely an opinion.

They are more or less the same as the US F-16A’s aside from the (Mod) variant. The Python 3’s don’t have IRCCM.

What? I’m just asking for the same weapons that the earlier F-16A gets at 12.3.

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He means

  • F-16A ADF historically can’t use any ground ordnance which you listed.
  • Air Defence Fighter version of F-16 couldn’t use it. Until the MLU package is installed later.
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Thanks for agreeing that the F-18A is under-BR’d.
The IRCCM F-16 is 13.0.

The rest of your points were addressed in my previous post, so I feel no need to continue those factors.
And Stockholm understood my point about F-16A ADF.

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Isn’t the F-16 ADF version a Block 15, while the F-16A a Block 10? I’m confused as to why they would remove capabilities from an earlier model when they should be retained, even if they didn’t historically equip them.

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But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t happen.

The F-18 should also be 12.7.

With how poor the FMs and overall package is I don’t think they will be anything but the worst 13.0s.

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Because I want some difference between the vehicles and that’s it. The Russian/Hungarian ones get their historical loadouts at 12.7, while the German one goes down in BR.

I’d be fine if any of them got R-73s and stayed at 12.7, because they are not fun with just R-60Ms.

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I don’t know what you are specifically referring to, what jet do you think is wrong

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The U.S. F-16A at 12.3 has ground ordinance but the F-16A ADF doesn’t even though it’s technically an upgraded model. While it might not have historically equipped bombs and such it should still have retained the ability to do so.

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because irl they didnt give the adf that ordinance or the capability to carry it due to it being purely used in air superiority roles

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  1. going to high altitude in the F4C is a terrible idea, especially at the start of the match
  2. the problem is that people only use it to bomb, which is a symptom of people being bad at the game and underestimating things, sure in a full uptier the f4c is gonna suck but a lot of things suck in a full uptier, and ignoring a planes weaknesses and rushing to bomb a base means you cant take advantage of a planes strengths, the F4C is one of the closest things you can get to a BnZ fighter at high BR

and to be honest the only reason it could be considered bad at its own BR is because of the 10.0ish strike aircraft with all aspects which have been a problem since they were added, though in something like the F4C you can just stay 5km away from them eternally

i disagree, its basically just the f104A/C but better and considering they should be 9.7, 10.0 is fine

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I want to say that this is incorrect because it should have the capability to drop ordinance. The ADF variant is just a Block 15 with upgraded avionics and there’s plenty of pictures of Block 15’s either holding or dropping bombs. F-16 #81-0741 shown below is a Block 15 later upgraded to an ADF variant. While the Air National Guard probably never equipped bombs operationally, they should still retain the ability to do it.

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