should bug report it then, doesn’t mean they’ll listen tho since its gaijin
That is the non-ADF tail number. The tail number was changed when it was made ADF.
The database shows that number was active prior to the conversion, and kept when it was converted. It’s the same plane.
Aside from missile count it is worse than J11B,J10A,F15C,F16C and JAS39C.
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missile count is kind of an important factor that shouldnt be ignored
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Flight performance matters more when you cant compete with other planes, if you cant give more energy to missiles then it doesnt matter if you have more missiles.
Also it doesnt have HMD and A2G munitions which makes it even more worse than those planes.
Now im not saying it should be 13.7 but there are obvious flaws with first Finnish Hornet.
It’s superior to F-16C, JAS39C, and arguably J-10A.
J-11B and F-15Cs were chronically 14.0s at 13.7 until AIM-120C5s were added to 14.0s.
F-18’s a deck rat [this is an endearing term].
And the F-18C is still a better platform than the Su-30SM.
Even if any were forgotten about for their AIM-120 upgrades.
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Flight performance wise those planes beat the shit out of F-18 which actually make them superior.
Su-30SM is superior to F-18 in almost every way.
Su-30SM has much better:
-Radar
-Much better NCTR
-More missiles
-Better Top Speed
-Better countermeasures
-Better Ir missiles
-And TVC for 1VS1.
Now F-18 might be rating better than Su-30 but considering its pros Su-30Sm clearly wins this fight.
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HMD isnt super useful for any of the missiles that the F18s get access to
a2g munitions dont determine ARB BR (apart from when they kinda do, looking at you tornado IDS)
- the flight performance isnt that bad man
- having more missiles is still important, regardless of how much energy you have, id rather have a cessna 172 with 1 single aim120 (and accompanying radar) than have an f16 with no missiles
- 10 AMRAAMS!
Its quite important at top tier.
Its much slower than its counterparts, almost 200-250km slower, its quite bad in terms of giving energy to missiles.
I’ll take superior flight performance any day rather than having more missiles.
Which having less range than counterparts because of less energy.
okay and? theyre still functional missiles
okay cool i will shoot you down from 10km
so dont use them in BVR?
with the nose authority on the F18, its not as important, especially when you dont have any good HOBS missiles, plus as you have said giving energy to your missiles is important you can do that by pointing your nose at the enemy, which means that HMD isnt that useful for that type of shot, theres nothing that the finnish f18C is missing that is actually worth a whole BR step decrease (even combined)
yes the finnish F18C is probably the worst 14.0, but something needs to have that title and it may as well be the plane that everyone is going to ignore now that there is a version thats literally the same but better
F-18C beats F-16C in dogfights, but air RB isn’t about dogfights, it’s about team management.
The Su-30SM is slower to accelerate, and has a worse relationship between weight, drag, and thrust aka worse flight performance.
All for a similar amount of missiles, and even then the AIM-120C5s are better with the IR missiles being equivalent.
HMD is preference.
Oh, and Su-30SM’s time to mach 1.5 at 10600 meters is equivalent to that of F-18C. Both get to around mach 1.5 in ~170 seconds from an air spawn and both having ~9 minutes of AB fuel time.
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I think Finnish F-18(not F/A-18) is quite a problematic plane.
It is the worst one of the F/A-18C in 14.0BR
no A2G weaponry (worse stock grind because each modification will require higher RP to unlock.)
no HMS
no BOL compared to the later one in the same tree
no AIM-120C compared to counterparts
it only shares F-18 fuselage and 10x AIM-120B as common.
If we only think about hornets in 14.0, maaaaybe F-18C can have 1 step lower than other F/A-18C counterparts.
But if we also consider other planes nearby, sadly, F-18C can’t go down to 13.7, I think.
Imagine 12.7BR jets like F-16A ADF, MiG-29, or F/A-18C Early faces 10x AIM-120 in full downtier.
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Try that while i send you Pl-12 on your way with superior flight performance while i abuse multipath
Whats the point of having BVR missiles if you cant use them for its designated purpose.
F-16C rate s much better, has better acceleration and energy retention and turns almost good as F-18C.
No F-18C doesnt beat F-16C in dogfight.
Yet its pros heavily compansate its acceleration, so it beats F-18C in almost every way.
Su-30SM is slower to mach 1, similar speed to mach 1.5 at high altitude, dogfights worse.
AMRAAMs don’t use the host radar once the radar goes off target for even a moment.
F-18C and F-16C accelerate almost identically, as they should. It’d be a bug if they didn’t.
This is with F-16C having fuel advantage over the F-18C:
The F-16C only performs worse as you equalize the two.
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so you cant read? or you dont understand hypotheticals?
because theyre still function almissiles and
- BVR is boring
- 5-10km away is the best distance to use them anyway, less time for enemy to defend, less time to target, more energy throughout the whole flight
sure, though f16C is the second worst performing f16 in game
simply no, f16s have a bad habit of compressing above a certain speed, whereas f18 has the funny button, who needs a prolonged dogfight when you can just get on the tail of the enemy with 1 button press
the pros of being very heavy, having bad energy retention or having less countermeasures?
This is like saying F-20 is better than Rafale due to having better VnE, just because Su-SM is worse in terms of acceleration doesnt change the fact that it heavily outperforms F-18C in other aspects.
Su-30SM is much better plane than F-18C.
F-18C shouldnt accelerate as fast as F-16C, this is clearly wrong and should be bug reported.
Having more missiles doesnt mean too much when your enemy can utilize them better while notching your missile thanks to superior flight performance and HMD, seems like you’re the one who doesnt understand.
Personal opinion.
15-20km is the best distance to use them, it will give you enough room to notch incoming missiles.
In terms of what? Flight performance?
F-16C is the best accelerating F-16 while having best energy retention,best missiles, top speed on deck and having HMD, you dont even know what you’re talking about.
Have you not any airbrakes?
Yeah funny button that makes your speed instantly dissapear, smart F-16C will easily trap you in rate fight where it will kill you easily.
SU-30Sm has large caliber countermeasures that are effectively better.
It also has:
Much better radar
Much better NCTR
Much better IR missiles
More missiles
More top speed
HMD
Better RWR and TVC.
So what were you saying again?
Is it that much better than the F-15C that can carry 8 AMRAAM’s at 13.7?