Them being useful in Air RB requires a complete rework of how the mode is played. As of now, base bombing teammates just increase your chances of losing.
Are we not suggesting that here?
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Indeed we are, but that’s a possibility in the future. He’s talking very much in the present.
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thank you for your constructive feedback :)
i’ve spaded the entire chinese air tree without bombing in anything that isn’t a bomber.
strike aircraft already can be used as fighters and imo air rb should be balanced around it, at least how the game mode currently is. bases just reward passive play in what is supposed to be a team-based game, rendering people who go after ground targets as either wasted slots/free kills or as a nuisance that if ignored will end a battle prematurely
Good job catching this comment from smin.
It’s definitely not what i wanted to hear. With all the rumors regarding strategic bombers, im really surprised that they’re not considering adding RB EC as a permanent mode. It would kinda kill two birds with one stone.
Sounds to me like if it does come back it’ll probably be a weekend only mode like Naval EC. Better than nothing but still not ideal.
Im still surprised we dont have more “sandbox” combined arms modes with longer form gameplay. Even a more sandbox PVE mode could be good if the AI was competent. Instead we get the laughably outdated Assault PVE modes. Might as well play the single missions from 2012.
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Sure. This does not have anything to do with nor gives someone the right to advocate for TDM gameplay because of it (instead, advocate for gamemode changes) or abuse people for playing planes as bombers.
neat!
Nope! Even the A10 and Su25 are subpar fighters and those are usually the best examples of strike planes as at least these get good missiles. AMX is similar.
See:
This game has not been team based in years! It has almost no teamplay elements! You are inserted onto a team of 16 people all with different goals and desires!
From my understanding of gaijin, this sound like bad news for us.
A big part of the community aligns with the cookie cutter simple and fast matches, if they don’t create a separated AirRb EC I don’t think much will be done to make the current gamemode any different
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I was writing a suggestion to increase the ARB variation game modes, but you address it quite perfectly. The game really need more options ASAP, at the currently state there is no reason for Strike and Bombers to exist since the match resumes into a Furballs.
I really thing that we could have a tactical strike mode based on bombers and striker aircrafts with the fighters fighting to defend them and also the top tier maps should be always the big ones, like the SIM maps, since with BVR and BR 14.0 Aircrafts, maps like city are pathetic.
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This reply seems more hopeful I guess.
lets hope its not a carrot on a stick situation.
it really sucks, cuz back in the day i absolutely LOVED air rb. could play it for hours on end, now its 1 or 2 matches and im just bored out of my mind.
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Maybe I’m being a Negative Nancy but doesn’t this mean that there is nothing about game modes in “Hornets Sting major and developments within”? Also it would nice if they could specifically list what the “challenges” actually are, because from what I heard there already was a ARBEC event in the past.
Feel free to ask what those challenges are. But it’s going to come back as “queue times, splitting the player base” and stuff.
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From air sim, challenges I can identify are:
- If they allow players to create their own lobbies, it’s going to be a mess. AIr sim is ruined by players making their own lobbies for zombing, rigging matches for event farming and stat padding. People also scout what people are in a lobby to either rag someone or avoid lobbies where they’d face too significant opposition.
Here’s some examples of match rigging:
Discussion on the event cycle - #26 by RunaDacino - If they do NOT allow players to create their own lobbies - how do you account for map preferences fairly (I hate playing on Denmark for instance because it’s horrible in props but bomber players spam it because it’s horrible in props so they don’t get hunted). More importantly - how do you handle the logic of “Should we put the player into an existing lobby or should we create a new one?” “How do we deal with the risk of a player joining a lobby that only has 15 minutes less and spawning in before they can accomplish enough cycles to gain reward.”
Even with our current lobby system, we get issues with people creating new lobbies leading to dead lobbies, or “ghost lobbies” where the game says a lobby had a 8vs8, you join and find 1 guy on the enemy team base bombing and nobody on yours (extreme case, but happens.)
Beyond these primary ones, there’s also
- The A.I is bloody broken at jet tiers. Seriously. Go join Air sim EC on a 120x120 map in a Me262, F80, F2H2 or similar early jet. Even an F86 sabre or Mig 15 works. Wait for “Intercept enemy bombers” objective to spawn. GO and try to do just that.
What do you discover?
Community Bug Reporting System
The NPC cl-13 sabre is flying at mach 1.4 or so and is basically impossible to ever catch unless it bugs out. It coincidentally bugs out on Denmark, thus the video catching up. However, observe the maneuvers and wobbling and turning it does and how it didn’t care about me chewing its tailplane off and kept flying straight. - Objective logic on some maps appears broken - objectives don’t spawn, or they only spawn for one side
- The whole airfield bombing seems impossible to balance. Airfields were buffed to the point where you need hundreds of tons of bombs to destroy one. Consequence? People started farming airfields as static and easy targets for score
And finally, these ones gaijin doesn’t care about but
- Useless Action reward system is something simmers put up with for the sake of getting to fly. However, it is very toxic and discourages PvP and teamplay. Instead, optimal play is to get ~600 score, hide somewhere safe until the 15 minute timer ticks over, land and repeat.
See my discussion on how ridiculous it is here:
Why does War Thunder players put up with this silver lion grind? - #25 by RunaDacino
tl:dr
Horton: 17.4k to spawn, makes 1430/min so 0.92x15x1430 = 19.7K. You make 2.3K in your first 15 minutes max assuming full score and landing. - A lot of reward systems blatantly rip you off. Flying for 15 minutes, you gain your first useful actions tick. you MUST land before another 15 minutes land, or you lose 20% of your rewards (landing bonus) as the second 15 minute tick overrides the first, completely voiding the first one. That’s -20% reward for doing too well and having an aircraft that can loiter.
Alternatively, it punishes you for RTBing 13 minutes in (as you’ll have taken off and engaging objectives and won’t get back until 18 minutes pass) rather than at 15 minutes and so forth.
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Actually I found a bit from smin about RBEC in a video. Still not convinced why at the very least it can’t be a mode like Heli EC(exempt from events,capped rewards, and players can leave and join anytime) ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
I don’t get why it can’t at least be tested like ARH missiles were last year. Running a test and collecting feedback is the least they could do.
Also you dropped a \ in your shrugie.
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But wouldn’t it make sense to fix those issues so the sim experience is better AND the game mode could be reused for the rb audience? IDK maybe aside from the lobby I don’t think the issues are fundamentally unsolvable.
I’d love for those issues to get fixed.
However, as demonstrated by the bug report linked and a lot of other posts in the sim forum, Gaijin seems opposed to doing so.
It is my hope that if they do get around to RB EC, stuff gets fixed but on the flipside, they can (arguably justifiably for the lobby rigging) cite these as major challenges.
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funny you mentioned the ARH missile tests, cuz i fondly remember how much more fun those matches were to play. partially because of a new weapon system but a big reason was because the much lower amount of players made fighting actually much more intense, cuz it wasnt just slinging missiles left and right, you actually had to think and plan your engagements, and one slip up meant it was most likely over for you
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